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Author:  Fame2Advancement [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Real Social Dynamics Scam- Must read whether FAN or FOE
Hi guys

After 6 consecutive months of getting results that make my friends jealous within PUA, I'm quitting "keyboard jockeying" and being a forum addict for a while. This is to spend more quality time in the field and at home in tandem to taking steps to further my (serious) goals (see my introductory post).

There have been many awesome companies, PUAs, Write Ups, DVDs, CDs
Forum Threads, that really helped. I will not mention them as I don't want them associated with the one company who I think DAMAGES,,any would be PUAs, chances of success with women (and good mental health)

RSD-Real Social Dynamics

Unfortunetly for me the first products I bought were DVDs from the Real Social Dynamics spearheaded by Tyler Durden (huh original name:evil: )
Apart from ruining the name of one of Brad Pitts best characters what else do I not like about this company?

You can't re-sell Your products on Ebay :lol:
Yep that's right kids. When you finally learn that RSD will not help you attract members of the opposite sex, guess what? If you are thinking of selling thm on Ebay don't bother. Ebay took down my listing selling off my god awful RSD products and forwarded an e-mail from Papa- stating I was selling "Pirated Copyrighted Products"
So if you are thinking of buying a PS3 or Blueprint (both believe it or not both cost the same) get a PS3
I find it hard to believe that whilst a World Dominating corporation lets their customers sell on PS3 Papa insists we keep ours.

The Products
None of these products help guide you in any way, shape or form in Meeting, Attracting, Communicating, Escalating, Building Relationships, Having Sex with members of the opposite sex- hence the online joke "RSD Virgin".
Just read the forum RSDnation- it is full of guys not can't even apporach women let alone F-close-why? No system or coherent understanding of Social Dyanmics no sex-end of.

The Psychology of some Fans
Brainwashed is one word I choose best to discribe some the "cultish" followers. They scare me on the forum, they'd scare me in real life. In fact there are more horror stories of Mental Breakdowns, Getting beating up, Girls calling guys "creepy" in field reports, Dope smoking and discussing mish mash of meaningless..................crap.
Tyler in the Blueprints comes across as a Scientologist (hey even Scientology does have SOME science behind it-but does that make it legitimate?)

The "Plants"-The Forum- The Cen****ship
I saw some "random audience guys" help Tyler onstage in a David DeAngelo DVD. Those same "random guys", gave product endorsements and or filled the conference room in Foundations & Tylers later products
asking positive, productive questions which have nothing to due with the talk Tyler was giving.
The Forum is a head fuck. It is full of cultish ramblings, some users have only been with the Forum a year and written 1,779 posts! The most "prolific" users are constantly posting even on USA Saturday nights (I only know due to UK/USA time zones). One user talked about his success with women- but on another post he complained he was still a virgin :shock:
Some posters write (to be frank) bullshit Field Reports of how they brought two hot blondes ot their hotel room without stating how they did it and get the thumbs up from posers like Tim.
The odd poster (probably wanting to scrape back the money he spent n his DVDs) launched a post stating the obvious, no pick up advice, L Ron Hubbard (Scientology) style ramblings, etc- the post got deleted within seconds. Spookily the same guy made a Tyler style apology about "Nimbus" being broken and being in the wrong head space :shock:


I could go on but the bottom line is this.
MY RSD Products are in the bin.
Author:  puaer [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:06 pm ]
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Wow I have never heard so many things about RSD. when you wrote about the mental health of the fans such as getting called creepy and getting beaten up, are you telling me that's what the outcome of RSD is doing to its consumer?
Author:  Fame2Advancement [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:18 pm ]
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There is a statement in the small print of a lot PUA programmes which states "The following advice is for entertainment purposes only and is not intended to replace the role of mainstream psychology. (Company name) will not be held responsible for any (insert incidents) that result in its implication".

The Blueprint was awful and Tyler came across as trying to replace psychology. I think PUAs have a duty to state they are not psyhologists or therapists. Remember Tyler only has qualifications in Philosophy.
He shouldn't be training as a non recognised professional.
Even in Self Help- Paul McKenna or Athony Robbins studied hard to understand psychology.
Not just from reading a pile of books.

Guys who go out without any guidelines to follow- will get beaten up (sticking points on Body Language or Communication or anything is NOT covered in RSD). Its like going on a journey before planning the route or using a map- you could end up int the desert.
As someone who is now in the process of studying NLP, Human Interactions (of all ages, gender, health or religion) I find it disturbing that RSD has gotten so many customers "stuck" in procrastination.
They're saying "We're here to help you with dating" then they're saying "Tactics are for egotists who chase women"- Um what?
The outcome of this technique is evident on RSDnation forum.
Author:  puaer [ Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:23 pm ]
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wow that sounds scary, how can RSD not teach the afc to do their research before going out. I hope they are not going out and trying to out amog the amogs, unless your skilled in social interactions then that will definitely get you beaten up.
Author:  Chief [ Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:18 am ]
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lol Go ahead and study all the outer game you want, man. Just study Mystery Method or something like most people who can't let themselves see past the surface. No reason to shit-talk things that you don't understand and take away from people who actually take value from RSD.

This isn't a warning or anything; it's good to express your opinion if you can back it up with SOMETHING, but keep forum rule #2 in the forefront of your mind when you participate on these forums.
Author:  Fame2Advancement [ Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:54 am ]
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lol Go ahead and study all the outer game you want, man. Just study Mystery Method or something like most people who can't let themselves see past the surface. No reason to shit-talk things that you don't understand and take away from people who actually take value from RSD.
Excuse me I don't wish to sound like I'm flaming you or any RSD fan.
I have a National GNVQ and Diploma in Human Communication studies (gained when I was your age 18 yrs). I'm also studying NLP at a professional level direct from a Academy that deals with Richard Bandler himself and will be going into professional Hypno Therapy and Neuro Linguistic Programming under controlled supervision.

Yes Chief you are right I do like the Mystery Method (be it Mystery or Savoy)simply because it is for the purpose of picking up women,your social standing and job ambitions too.
I think you should read it and no offense MM has A LOT of coherent advice on INNER GAME.

Pick Up artistry has a bad name and I think why should other people bother trying to improve the name of Pick Up when clowns like Alex in his in field video obviously don't have any interpersonal skills themselves.

Also for the Money Scam Part
Would you be happy to buy a car and then try and sell it on Ebay only to have it taken down later. Then you recieve a communication from Ebay stating that Ford reckons you are selling a counterfeit Car?Well thats exactly the money grabbing ploy Papa and Tyler are pulling on their fans. I have ther right to say I do not like RSD nor would I reccomend them to anybody.
Author:  thatkidej [ Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:23 am ]
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Scam?

A PS3/car is hardly comparable to an informational DVD. You can't utilize a sold PS3/car but you can utilize information learned from a DVD. It does seem unfair for someone to research something for a long time, sell the research to make a profit, and have several people reselling your copyrighted information.

I'm not saying I favor or don't favor RSD, I'm just saying it's reasonable to not want his information resold. It is cheating him out of the few hundred bucks the Blueprint costs every time it's resold.

RSD is just as good a company as most others out there. Who cares if Tyler D isn't field-experienced if that is the case? He knows his shit, you can learn a lot from him all the same.
Author:  Fame2Advancement [ Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:49 am ]
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1) I'm just saying it's reasonable to not want his information resold. It is cheating him out of the few hundred bucks the Blueprint costs every time it's resold.

2) RSD is just as good a company as most others out there. Who cares if Tyler D isn't field-experienced if that is the case? He knows his shit, you can learn a lot from him all the same.
1) Irrelevant. Sony technically "loses money" on Secondhand products sold by Game Electornics Boutique and so do Developer of games when sold second hand. Do they block the sale of goods on Ebay like Real Social Dynamics? No they don't

2) I didn't learn a thing from Tyler be it Lack of Real Life Pick Up Advice or Improved Psychology. In fact as I said I felt I lost value watching RSD programmes.
As for in field footage what have they got to hide if they're so great? When that video of Alex got posted so called "RSD Virgins" were up in arms about the video editing. Shouting Oi! as an opener, calling a girl minger and geabbing a woman from behind- are the basic ABC 1,2,3No's No's of pick up. Why? Because you'll just freak women out and/or get beaten up


Here are my final thoughts on RSD
1) Tyler only became famous through The Game and people were curious about the so called "under dog".
2) Fans of RSD only like them becuase their advice is all about theory and NOTHING ELSE. Tyler and Co. even went as far to state that Game is for "Egotists", and implied that you can feel good about doing nothing about going out "as you're being in your own reality" whilst watching 20 DVDs which would mean you wouldn't have time to go out anyways
3) RSD should lead by example. I noticed not once did they mention Alexander The Great in their book recommendations- why. Becuase he would never ask he followers to do anything he wouldn't do himself.
I mentioned this last point when I insisted the RSD instructors post videos of themselves in field in their Forum. Guess what, the post got deleted without being locked and without reason (a sneaky tactic by RSD staff).

My final words before I go back to real life and actually dating real women in a normal enviroment is choose a system that actually works and if you really need book recommendations (and RSD specialty to fill their seminars) so bad, be it Interesting Novels, Self Improvement, Body Language Books, Tony Robbins then Amazon do this service for free.

Anybody else just keep looking elsewhere if you're serious about women.............
Author:  Chief [ Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:29 pm ]
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lol Go ahead and study all the outer game you want, man. Just study Mystery Method or something like most people who can't let themselves see past the surface. No reason to shit-talk things that you don't understand and take away from people who actually take value from RSD.
Excuse me I don't wish to sound like I'm flaming you or any RSD fan.
I have a National GNVQ and Diploma in Human Communication studies (gained when I was your age 18 yrs). I'm also studying NLP at a professional level direct from a Academy that deals with Richard Bandler himself and will be going into professional Hypno Therapy and Neuro Linguistic Programming under controlled supervision.

Yes Chief you are right I do like the Mystery Method (be it Mystery or Savoy)simply because it is for the purpose of picking up women,your social standing and job ambitions too.
I think you should read it and no offense MM has A LOT of coherent advice on INNER GAME.

Pick Up artistry has a bad name and I think why should other people bother trying to improve the name of Pick Up when clowns like Alex in his in field video obviously don't have any interpersonal skills themselves.

Also for the Money Scam Part
Would you be happy to buy a car and then try and sell it on Ebay only to have it taken down later. Then you recieve a communication from Ebay stating that Ford reckons you are selling a counterfeit Car?Well thats exactly the money grabbing ploy Papa and Tyler are pulling on their fans. I have ther right to say I do not like RSD nor would I reccomend them to anybody.
You missed my point, Mr. Negative :)

First off, you must be joking by presupposing that I haven't studied Mystery Method extensively. Calm down that ego. You may have all that background in academia and NLP, but I've got all this background in everything the pickup community has to offer.

Second, why can't you concede your ego and just admit that you just might not yet UNDERSTAND what RSD is offering? Not everyone has their eyes open to all perspectives, and I can tell that you certainly don't. I really don't think you have fully explored what pickup really is. You still think it's technique based when in reality that's just the first stage, but technique-based practice is not the artistry of pickup.
Author:  Fame2Advancement [ Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:00 pm ]
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Second, why can't you concede your ego and just admit that you just might not yet UNDERSTAND what RSD is offering? Not everyone has their eyes open to all perspectives, and I can tell that you certainly don't. I really don't think you have fully explored what pickup really is. You still think it's technique based when in reality that's just the first stage, but technique-based practice is not the artistry of pickup.
Now you are just replying to my thread- because its getting so many views as to why RSD is a con- who takes people's money and runs.

When you get some professional certificates on your wall, then I may listen to you and your beloved Owen Cook (Tyler).

But being that you are only 18 years old Chief- I sense naivety and cockiness in your replies that is found in many over ambitious 18 year olds.

Good for bravdo- bad for a lifetime of jilted communication- especially when it comes to members of the opposite sex.
Author:  MSmith19 [ Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:58 pm ]
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Seriously, if why you hate RSD is because you can't resell it..then I'm not sure why I'm even reading this thread. You said nothing about the actual content, just that you're an idiot for not reading the fine print, or you're too cheap to make an investment and take it for what it is.


Let me add. RSD is a tool. The Mystery Method is a tool. ALL METHODS AND TECHNIQUES ARE TOOLS NOT ULTIMATE TACTICS UNTO THEIR OWN.

You have to decipher what information comes to you. Some will be good, some will be bad..you make the distinction. There are no methods that are better or worse, the ultimate or the worst method- all methods are simply things you should be considering while developing yourself. To claim that RSD is bad because it doesn't cover body language and outer game is ridiculous. The Blue Print was not meant to cover every aspect of PU and self-improvement- a book like this would consist of hundreds of thousands of pages. Just look at this ONE FORUM and how much information is here. Now imagine trying to cover ALL that information- the contradictory and agreeing information into one book or video..it's impossible. There is nothing better to develop your inner game, confidence and attitude that RSD. Just like, Mystery Method is very successful in developing outer game and conversation.
Author:  Fame2Advancement [ Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:09 pm ]
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Seriously, if why you hate RSD is because you can't resell it
I suggest you re-read the above entries I made.
Author:  MSmith19 [ Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:43 am ]
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Seriously, if why you hate RSD is because you can't resell it
I suggest you re-read the above entries I made.
I've read it several times and you still have no basis for your arguement. It's just personal opinions like you hate Tyler for no reason, and are disappointed you can't resell his product on ebay.

Seriously, you have some shitty college degree that nobody cares about. I could claim that I have a PhD in psychology and am Mystery's number one wing. It doesn't mean shit. Anyone could say that. Stating that you have all this education/experience on the internet is next to claiming that you eat through your ass. If you want to criticize a program- atleast do it properly and avoid looking like a bitter idiot just because you can't resell this product- something you had KNOWN VERY WELL since the start.
Author:  Impact [ Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:18 am ]
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I have one of Tyler’s earlier products! its great! but I've never seen the Blueprint! I've never heard such bad rap for a product! If I check it out ill let you guys know what I think!
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update.

One of my private students/friends just brought it over, I'm watching it and on first glance it seems very detailed, I don't get where this negativity is coming from. It seems to be spot on. He teaches all the principles that you need to know to be successful.

Still watching when I'm done I'll comment back.
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Hi guys

After 6 consecutive months of getting results that make my friends jealous within PUA, I'm quitting "keyboard jockeying" and being a forum addict for a while. This is to spend more quality time in the field and at home in tandem to taking steps to further my (serious) goals (see my introductory post).

There have been many awesome companies, PUAs, Write Ups, DVDs, CDs
Forum Threads, that really helped. I will not mention them as I don't want them associated with the one company who I think DAMAGES,,any would be PUAs, chances of success with women (and good mental health)

RSD-Real Social Dynamics

Unfortunetly for me the first products I bought were DVDs from the Real Social Dynamics spearheaded by Tyler Durden (huh original name:evil: )
Apart from ruining the name of one of Brad Pitts best characters what else do I not like about this company?

You can't re-sell Your products on Ebay Laughing
Yep that's right kids. When you finally learn that RSD will not help you attract members of the opposite sex, guess what? If you are thinking of selling thm on Ebay don't bother. Ebay took down my listing selling off my god awful RSD products and forwarded an e-mail from Papa- stating I was selling "Pirated Copyrighted Products"
So if you are thinking of buying a PS3 or Blueprint (both believe it or not both cost the same) get a PS3
I find it hard to believe that whilst a World Dominating corporation lets their customers sell on PS3 Papa insists we keep ours.

The Products
None of these products help guide you in any way, shape or form in Meeting, Attracting, Communicating, Escalating, Building Relationships, Having Sex with members of the opposite sex- hence the online joke "RSD Virgin".
Just read the forum RSDnation- it is full of guys not can't even apporach women let alone F-close-why? No system or coherent understanding of Social Dyanmics no sex-end of.

The Psychology of some Fans
Brainwashed is one word I choose best to discribe some the "cultish" followers. They scare me on the forum, they'd scare me in real life. In fact there are more horror stories of Mental Breakdowns, Getting beating up, Girls calling guys "creepy" in field reports, Dope smoking and discussing mish mash of meaningless..................crap.
Tyler in the Blueprints comes across as a Scientologist (hey even Scientology does have SOME science behind it-but does that make it legitimate?)

The "Plants"-The Forum- The Cen****ship
I saw some "random audience guys" help Tyler onstage in a David DeAngelo DVD. Those same "random guys", gave product endorsements and or filled the conference room in Foundations & Tylers later products
asking positive, productive questions which have nothing to due with the talk Tyler was giving.
The Forum is a head fuck. It is full of cultish ramblings, some users have only been with the Forum a year and written 1,779 posts! The most "prolific" users are constantly posting even on USA Saturday nights (I only know due to UK/USA time zones). One user talked about his success with women- but on another post he complained he was still a virgin Shocked
Some posters write (to be frank) bullshit Field Reports of how they brought two hot blondes ot their hotel room without stating how they did it and get the thumbs up from posers like Tim.
The odd poster (probably wanting to scrape back the money he spent n his DVDs) launched a post stating the obvious, no pick up advice, L Ron Hubbard (Scientology) style ramblings, etc- the post got deleted within seconds. Spookily the same guy made a Tyler style apology about "Nimbus" being broken and being in the wrong head space Shocked


I could go on but the bottom line is this.
MY RSD Products are in the bin.
_________

I don't agree with any of the above, apart from the forum business and people being virgins, i cant comment on that, there is always people that won't get this and there’s nothing anyone can really do to help them. I've been watching the program 30 min. Its exactly spot on with everything, I know because I'm in field I experience allot of these concepts that he is revealing in the program.

Personally I think so far Its great, and by the looks of it and talking to my mate here, that its solid throughout. The above quote talks about fan's and following the series blindly. There is people idolising people in every industry, whatever it may be, it doesn’t change the quality of the product from my stand anyway. Tyler put 4 years of work into this and you can pretty much tell right away.

I'm sure you can sell it off. Plenty of people will buy it, especially if its cheaper! the product stands, I like it, I'm getting value and its reinforcing what I already know, so in a sense aligning me more with myself and letting me know that my way of doing and thinking is the right way!
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None of these products help guide you in any way, shape or form in Meeting, Attracting, Communicating, Escalating, Building Relationships,


Have you even watched the product? I don't know what’s going on there.

If there is any change I'n this I will update!

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Author:  Chief [ Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:15 am ]
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Second, why can't you concede your ego and just admit that you just might not yet UNDERSTAND what RSD is offering? Not everyone has their eyes open to all perspectives, and I can tell that you certainly don't. I really don't think you have fully explored what pickup really is. You still think it's technique based when in reality that's just the first stage, but technique-based practice is not the artistry of pickup.
Now you are just replying to my thread- because its getting so many views as to why RSD is a con- who takes people's money and runs.

When you get some professional certificates on your wall, then I may listen to you and your beloved Owen Cook (Tyler).

But being that you are only 18 years old Chief- I sense naivety and cockiness in your replies that is found in many over ambitious 18 year olds.

Good for bravdo- bad for a lifetime of jilted communication- especially when it comes to members of the opposite sex.
:roll:

Alright, buddy. I guess if you can't get it the first time, there's no reasoning with ya. Good job in making false assumptions. I can make assumptions, too. :)

Consider this your official warning for rule #2 :wink:

I'm not kidding.

However, just to give you a little help (I can't help but to keep on helping because I have love for you, too, Fame2Advancement), think about a time when you were in a relationship with a girl (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you've had a girlfriend before... but correct me if I'm wrong) and reflect on the times when she would express any sort of dissatisfaction about the relationship. Coming from a fresh perspective that focuses on the importance of positivity, I hope you can see how you can improve your future relationships by eliminating ego-based habits that breed negativity.

:idea:
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