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Author:  Infamous110 [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:29 am ]
Post subject:  A re-introduction and backing in detail

Okay, there are two reasons for this post but it ultimately boils down to the same thing.

I reached 200 posts and my title changes to zealot - I feel this is an unfair title for me and I don't deserve to be given a board "rank" aligning with some of the awesome guys on here. I've had a couple of PMs asking for advice.

I was recently chatting to a girl at a bar. All innocent enough, I tell her friend to buy her own drink, and don't really give what's going on much thought. Next thing I notice is that this girl is between my legs with my arms around her. What the hell? I can't be on autopilot already? I don't want to be. And yet I would describe myself as the most analytical person I know, so there's something wrong with that picture.

So ultimately the reason for this post is to 'lay bare' myself. A re-introduction if you will.


I was in a 2 year relationship until mid/late May. Some time before this, around late April, a friend at work, Adam, started talking to me about some of the PUA stuff he's done. Adam is very good. He paid for his tuition, and will probably always be my "mentor" per se. He directed me to some posts that he thought I should read to get an idea of what he was talking about (Hitori). Hooked! Early may Adam drags me to a local book shop and puts a copy of The Game in my hands. I figure, I'm open-minded, let's see what's up? Take to counter, guy (definitely gay) behind counter tells me how popular it is.

Read through - fairly quickly. Am somewhat disheartened by the end of the book. I sometimes wonder whether all these new posters actually finished the book - why on earth would that lifestyle be something you would look up to? Anyhow, I'm in a relationship so it doesn't matter, but I find myself shifting already; changing my attitude and my approach to everyday situations. This is a relationship that has been on the rocks for a little while, I kind of don't hold out much hope for it (and hadn't before the book really), and subsequently ends. It's only a few days later, I'm out with some friends and (as per one of my first posts) I find myself at home with some hothot HB. I know exactly what my approach was, and I understand the power of what Strauss is getting at.

Fine. Cool. I want to learn more. MM, Natural Art to Seduction, Double your dating, The Attraction Code (thanks Chief), and a lot of these boards. Teaching is one of the best ways to learn, and so I aim to give as much as I can - I try to input where possible and feel that my advice is generally sound.

I'm not replacing the field with books - I am out doing my thing. I'm a qualified personal trainer (this something that I do wonder how the hell I managed), a qualified mortgage adviser and a generally driven person.

I am working 12 hours a day and sleeping 6 hours a night, so that leaves me some time. I have modest success. An attempt to quantify (I wish I could go back in time and keep track of this) would say to date 1 FC, 3 KC, 2 NC, 1 major blowout and maybe 75 dwindled sets.

I take up my position as a student: first night out with friends I seperate immediately and go and open maybe 30-40 sets. Simple opinion opening, "Do i look gay ect ect" and staying until conversation died. Step 1, approaching.

I have a good frame; I'm wide at the shoulders and slimmer at the waist. I have no real unwanted bulges, but some toning wouldn't go a miss. I feel that I'm moderately attractive, and feel that attraction is something that I have been able to spike with relative ease. I have yet to add full directness to this, but I certainly want to add this to my arsenal (add rather than replace). I recently told a girl in a store that what she was buying was a bad choice; she spent the next 10 minutes validating herself even though I told her I had never used what she was buying and just wanted to come and talk to her! That's my directest direct approach... !

I think the main benefit on this site of things is simply that I'm laid back - I don't let things bother me.

comfort has always been fairly natural - I'm comfortable around women, I've just added an aura of "I don't care" really. Kino again is something that is fairly natural to me, guys included - it's just now I can add intent to it.

Closing is something that I feel I neither am or aren't good at. I feel I miss opportunities, but I am also able to be a man enough to attempt it. I feel that I have a high success rate - but this links back to me picking my slots (too) selectively.

Strengths: Approaching (socially in general), body language, night-game, older women apparently.
Weaknesses: day-game, solo-sarging (which makes no sense to me, as I'm not with my friends most of the time), relaxing/slowing down, bad time management.

I peacock without extravagence. Loud t-shirts are really all I do, but with night-game especially if I'm wearing yellow in a room of black-and-white then it's probably enough. Perhaps along these lines - I'm relatively girly, I've been called metrosexual by girls (who LOVE it). I pluck my eyebrows, I exfoliate, I use conditioner, I shave or trim hair everywhere, I keep my nails trim and try to keep my hair styled.

I feel that I'm receding. At 22 this makes me somewhat self-concious, but I've been ensured (thanks mummy) that it's not as bad as I make out. I am considering growing my hair out a little so that I can hopefully cover this a little, but I have no reason why I haven't. I know very few canned routines.

I recently left my job and moved home - from 65+ hr/w to 0. This has made me like a schoolkid in summer - I sleep all day and am awake all night - it probably hinders my progress also as I want to work on my weaknesses and day-game is a major one. I want better wings - my friends constantly disappoint me and the people I would like to go out with regularly now live quite far away. I have made the decision to go to university this year (hopefully) and feel that this will improve me as a person in so many ways. The honest truth is I want to not work and enjoy myself fully at this point, and money is a distant secondary, but I am going to be studying things that I enjoy, so it won't be a waste.


That is my stance as of right now. How far I've progressed to date, what I feel needs work, and what I feel needs less. Why am I telling you all this? Well, there are a few questions burried in there, but ultimately I want to improve, right? Now you all know exactly where I stand, I have put myself under some pressure to ensure that I get better. Yes, this is more for my benefit than any of yours, but you'll live!

Author:  Pen1987 [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:49 pm ]
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This is weird. I pretty much in exactly the same situation.

I've never had a serious problem talking to girls per say.
I'm a qualified fitness instructer.
I'm going back to college next year to study journalism, which I love.
I rarely use routines.
I have weak day game.
Good build.
I hate anyone whos ever tried to wing me, one used to come over while I was in the middle of opening a set and put his hands on my shoulder and said 'Ladies, isnt he SO smooth?!'... wtf. I need better wings.
When I started out I used to practice by just opening everything, I mean everything.

Freaky coincidences. I'll be a Uni. of Wolves in a years time if youre around! hah

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