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| Author: | Mr. Assertive [ Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | High lay count = less like you will be monogamous ? |
Is this a fact or an opinion . The more a player lays, the less likely he will be monogamous. If you have a high lay count, you won't want to to be monomagous. Thoughts ? |
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| Author: | Heywood Jablowme [ Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: High lay count = less like you will be monogamous ? |
It'd be a struggle. |
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| Author: | Mr. Assertive [ Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: High lay count = less like you will be monogamous ? |
Quote: It'd be a struggle.
So there is some truth |
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| Author: | Eddie Fews [ Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: High lay count = less like you will be monogamous ? |
I wrote an article titled Should Men Be Allowed A Cheat Day In Relationships? Which will give you much greater insight into this topic if you haven't read it already. If we just want to talk about nature here.. A man can have thousands of children a year if he got so lucky.. A woman can only have one(not including twins) no matter how lucky she gets. So it makes more sense for her to find one mate because one mate can provide her with all of the children she could ever possibly have for a life time. Which is the biological reason for copulation in the first place. Sex is pleasurable so that we'll do it and reproduce, its not pleasurable for our own entertainment. Nature is always pushing us to reproduce which is why a woman bleeds every month and goes through pain and cramps (for not reproducing) and men get random boners and motivation to seek out sexual gratification when not having ejaculated. These things happen so that we'll repopulate, not so we can please ourselves. Our instinctual behavior is based on our genetic make up, lions hunt because they have claws and canine teeth.They hunt instinctually because of their genetic make up.Men mate with many women instinctually because of my genetic make up.There is nothing in a woman genetic make up suggests that she should mate with multiple men. Socially she can be conditioned to or just decide to chase pleasure, but it doesn't make biological sense. It is without purpose, only serving pleasure.. And a constant pursuit of pleasure will destroy you if you aren't acting with purpose. As a man(most men) you already not monogamous. You're on a pick up forum. Lol. You may begin to condition yourself to be because you think thats what you're suppose to do, but Alpha male mammal creatures all throughout nature all mate with a pack of females. As a human you're just a alpha male mammal at the top of the food chain, your nature is still intact. Back before cameras, gps, and dan test a woman intelligently had to be a lot more selective with who she slept with because she would be stuck with a children with no idea who the dad was or how to get in contact with him or even prove he was the father. She had to be ensured that he would be there for her and/or the child. Now she can just rely on modern technology to do it for her. |
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| Author: | R.C [ Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: High lay count = less like you will be monogamous ? |
Quote: Is this a fact or an opinion . The more a player lays, the less likely he will be monogamous. If you have a high lay count, you won't want to to be monomagous. Thoughts ?
Not a struggle for me. I have phases where I'm tired of dating and want monogamy. I also have phases when I'm tired of monogamy and want variety. They are two very different experiences and saying one is better than the other is like saying burgers are better than pizza. They're both great so you just go for what you're feeling like having. That's me. |
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| Author: | Jay (Majik) [ Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: High lay count = less like you will be monogamous ? |
It's hard to say no sometimes. I feel as if there is a very small percentage of men out there that women can feel are just able to really rock their world in bed. Give them everything they want in a man. I'm getting to a point where I'm not even a player because I want to be anymore. I'm a player because that's what's expected of me. |
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| Author: | Onoma [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: High lay count = less like you will be monogamous ? |
Quote: Sex is pleasurable so that we'll do it and reproduce, its not pleasurable for our own entertainment.
Not really. In fact most animals only have sex when the woman is in heat, that is to say, can actually get pregnant. Humans (and some primates) do it whenever simply because it's pleasurable. If we were only doing it to reproduce, we could have evolved like other animals which simply go into heat when it's time. (Women do, to some extent, and become hornier when they are actually ovulating. Men also can detect subtle signs of this and will be more interested in a woman who's ovulating.)Quote: Nature is always pushing us to reproduce which is why a woman bleeds every month and goes through pain and cramps (for not reproducing) and men get random boners and motivation to seek out sexual gratification when not having ejaculated.
No, it's because the egg is only viable for a limited time and then has to be expelled to be ready for the next one. It's not some divine "punishment" for failing to use the egg. It's simple biology, not different really than needing to take a dump. In fact I think the same basically goes for the man, we experience it as horniness but you're storing all that semen and eventually it needs to get out. Without sex/masturbation it might end up being a wet dream. Quote:
Men mate with many women instinctually because of my genetic make up.There is nothing in a woman genetic make up suggests that she should mate with multiple men.
There's literally nothing to support "genetic make up" for causing monogamy. Ok, I shouldn't say that, this is the internet. I'm sure you can find something.Let's talk more... well, sociologically. Maybe anthropologically. There are a few matriarchal societies out there. Not many, but they exist. One thing that's in common to many of them? Females have multiple partners. My favorite is one society where the common saying among children is something like "As long as I get a new brother or sister, who cares who the father is?" Other studies show that women tend to lose interest in a partner faster than men, with an average of about three years. All those sexless marriages out there? Yep. Because deep down, women want variety... potentially more than men. Lastly there's there Sperm Competition theory for our evolution, which basically states that the reason women make so much noise during sex is to attract more partners... and the shape of the penis actually sucks out any sperm in the vagina so that in the end, the sperm from multiple lovers is competing for the egg. In short, now that we're actually studying female sexuality, there's growing evidence that women aren't very monogamous. Most of the evidence we have that they are... well, it's a product of our culture. Women have been told, for thousands of years, that they are bad, sinners, if they have more than one partner. Men have adopted that too. So what happens when you study them, survey them, design experiments? Well, people tend to look for what they already think is true and find ways to find it. Quote:
Socially she can be conditioned to or just decide to chase pleasure, but it doesn't make biological sense. It is without purpose, only serving pleasure.. And a constant pursuit of pleasure will destroy you if you aren't acting with purpose.
The problem here is that we're wired to constantly seek pleasure. Not just sex, but anything. This is why so many people eat too much, exercise too little. It takes willpower to fight our instincts and actually do things that delay or deny pleasure for the greater good. Socially, women have been conditioned to dislike sex... to think it's bad, or they are bad for enjoying it. We're just recently starting to break that conditioning... and what happens? Female infidelity rates are catching up!Quote:
As a man(most men) you already not monogamous.
As a human (most humans) you are already not monogamous.Go back to the very beginning of your post. Sex is about reproduction. That much is true. (This might seem like I'm contradicting myself, but not really.) What's important to the woman, subconsciously and biologically, is getting that egg fertilized. Why should she care who fertilizes it? "As long as I get a new brother or sister, who cares who the father is?" Quote:
Back before cameras, gps, and dan test a woman intelligently had to be a lot more selective with who she slept with because she would be stuck with a children with no idea who the dad was or how to get in contact with him or even prove he was the father. She had to be ensured that he would be there for her and/or the child. Now she can just rely on modern technology to do it for her.
Think even further back though. Back to when we were wandering hunter gatherers, or even tribes in grass huts before farming. All the men went out to hunt together. All the women went to pick berries and shit together. They all brought everything back and shared it.Why would it matter who the father was under such conditions? I haven't been able to confirm this suspicion, but I'd be willing to bet large sums of money that monogamy started right around the time farming and labor specialization did. After all, if you're farming the land to feed your family... you don't want to feed the local homeless guys kids. Thus, we started controlling female sexuality... making them feel bad for wanting to bang every guy they were attracted to. Thus, we wrote a Bible that very explicitly, if you look closely, only punishes infidelity for the married woman and her lover. (Whereas no married man was ever punished in the Bible for infidelity, unless he banged another man's wife.) So, sorry for the long rant... but between my sexual problems and interest in polyamory I've done a fair bit of reading on this stuff. Probably not an expert, but I know a bit. Now, for the OP, if you managed to get this far, let me say this: You are probably not naturally monogamous. A lot of polyamorous people would hem and haw out of political correctness, but I see little, if any, evidence that humans are instinctively monogamous. It's a societal construct which has been with us for a very long time. However, the other side of that is... well, eventually you'll be emotionally close to someone. Eventually you might get tired of game, of going out and meeting new women all the time. Shit, I hear the exploits of some of the guys on this forum and I could never handle that much action. Anyway, a lot of times people eventually default into what is essentially monogamy. Not so much that you stop wanting to bang that hot barista, but more like you'd rather cuddle up with your woman and binge watch TV on Netflix for the afternoon because the barista's too much effort. |
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| Author: | Stoliar [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: High lay count = less like you will be monogamous ? |
Eddie, no matter how much I respect your experience your article is just statement after statement based neither on logic nor on empirical facts. Onoma summed it up pretty well. As for me, the base to my belief that women are not necessarily naturally monogamous is the research by Gordon Gallup called The human penis as a semen displacement device, suggesting that penises have evolved so as to pump up semen from a previous intercourse. Ergo, throughout history women have been fucked by more than one male. Alright, it's evolutionary physiology, one of the haziest scientific fields. But that's still more convincing than "a woman just needs one man to have a baby, therefore she's naturally monogamous." And to answer Mr. Assertive, people change. Some guys play until they die, some settle down and become monogamous. As for change being likely or not, my guess would be that eventually most people get afraid of dying alone, so they turn to monogamy to secure a lifetime partner. |
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| Author: | Dragula [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: High lay count = less like you will be monogamous ? |
I am gonna Dan Bilzerian my way through life |
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| Author: | Jay (Majik) [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: High lay count = less like you will be monogamous ? |
Quote: I am gonna Dan Bilzerian my way through life
Amen |
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| Author: | Finished [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: High lay count = less like you will be monogamous ? |
Women are like icecream. There is a multitude of different flavors that you are going to like and it's very unlikely you're going to be satisfied deep down if you're chained down to eating vanilla forever. If you're in a store and you know you have access to all the different flavors at unlimited supply whenever you want. Do you really think it's going to be easy to take one flavor and go sit in the corner scooping that into your mouth for the rest of your life? Then... Imagine if you actually made the decision and commitment that you were only going to eat one flavor for the rest of your life. Then all of a sudden there is a new rule introduced that you're only allowed to have any of it once a month! and god forbid you now even look at any of the other flavors you would also enjoy and you're now missing out on because of your decision or your dicks getting chopped off! Fuck that shit. |
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| Author: | Stoliar [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: High lay count = less like you will be monogamous ? |
Quote: Women are like icecream.
Lol a PU guy I met in Japan gave me this version: "Women are like ramen, there's many kind and I like to taste a bit of everything."I'm just sayin', we're all guys in our 20s-30s. Let's ask 50-something PU guys what they think, I'm sure the story will be different. |
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| Author: | Heywood Jablowme [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: High lay count = less like you will be monogamous ? |
Quote: Let's ask 50-something PU guys what they think,
You did.
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| Author: | Finished [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: High lay count = less like you will be monogamous ? |
Quote: Let's ask 50-something PU guys what they think, I'm sure the story will be different.
What are you exactly saying?You think that by the time a guys in his 50's he will no longer want to fuck a multitude of hot attractive women in favor of monogamy? |
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| Author: | Stoliar [ Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: High lay count = less like you will be monogamous ? |
Seriously HJ? Maybe you can tell us if the people that were doing PU when you were in your 20s are still doing it, then. I'm not saying you're gonna prove me right, I'm just curious of knowing. I'm saying some people change. Some people build plastic toys all their life, others work in an office, then become pro boxers, then private eye, then work in the wedding business. |
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