Facing same problem. People come to me and and eat the theory part as much as they can and after some fails in the field they stop approaching girls and it really hurt.

How to improve with women:
1. Max out your looks(may take a few years)
2. Be cool(may take a few years to get the hang of)
3. Have a plan(screening, logistics)
4. Make a move

That's about it. Problem is, all the theory is mostly worthless. It has at most, impact around the periphery. There isn't a lot of skill that goes into getting women. It's mostly physical attraction, her thinking you're cool, her being comfortable with you, your sexual escalation skills, and you making it possible for you two to have sex. That's it. All the stuff about frame control, and DHVs, and being free from outcomes, and being funny, and being an "alpha" and having hobbies and etc, etc, has fuck all to do with getting laid.

If she thinks you're hot and cool, and she's sexually available, congrats, you're in. If not, you're probably out of luck.
There is just way too much focus on what to do and say. The early game is looks and vibe. The mid game is coolness and comfort. The end game is escalation and logistics.

It's really just a few "skills" you're looking at. And most of them are not closely focused on. Instead looking to minor things that make very little difference on average.

How to improve with women:
1. Max out your looks(may take a few years)
2. Be cool(may take a few years to get the hang of)
3. Have a plan(screening, logistics)
4. Make a move

That's about it. Problem is, all the theory is mostly worthless. It has at most, impact around the periphery. There isn't a lot of skill that goes into getting women. It's mostly physical attraction, her thinking you're cool, her being comfortable with you, your sexual escalation skills, and you making it possible for you two to have sex. That's it. All the stuff about frame control, and DHVs, and being free from outcomes, and being funny, and being an "alpha" and having hobbies and etc, etc, has fuck all to do with getting laid.

If she thinks you're hot and cool, and she's sexually available, congrats, you're in. If not, you're probably out of luck.
There is just way too much focus on what to do and say. The early game is looks and vibe. The mid game is coolness and comfort. The end game is escalation and logistics.

It's really just a few "skills" you're looking at. And most of them are not closely focused on. Instead looking to minor things that make very little difference on average.

I both agree and disagree.

Becoming a successful attraction expert indeed can be boiled down into a few broad categories, including the ones you mentioned.

However, how the fuck do you get there? If you're NOT cool, if you don't have the right vibe, how do you develop it? It's not enough to just say "be cool" because I don't know what the fuck being cool consists of. I was at the point and stage where I literally had no idea what to say to a woman!!!!

Being free from outcomes, being funny, having spare time...all of these are necessary parts of broader goals and it is IMPERATIVE that you understand these smaller parts in order to achieve the broader goals.

How to improve with women:
1. Max out your looks(may take a few years)
2. Be cool(may take a few years to get the hang of)
3. Have a plan(screening, logistics)
4. Make a move

That's about it. Problem is, all the theory is mostly worthless. It has at most, impact around the periphery. There isn't a lot of skill that goes into getting women. It's mostly physical attraction, her thinking you're cool, her being comfortable with you, your sexual escalation skills, and you making it possible for you two to have sex. That's it. All the stuff about frame control, and DHVs, and being free from outcomes, and being funny, and being an "alpha" and having hobbies and etc, etc, has fuck all to do with getting laid.

If she thinks you're hot and cool, and she's sexually available, congrats, you're in. If not, you're probably out of luck.
There is just way too much focus on what to do and say. The early game is looks and vibe. The mid game is coolness and comfort. The end game is escalation and logistics.

It's really just a few "skills" you're looking at. And most of them are not closely focused on. Instead looking to minor things that make very little difference on average.

Lol. After all that, you made it to the framework in which 99.9% of all PUA programs are built on.

Attract, comfort, seduce.

Is that so? Here on the forums I see people asking questions and worrying about the silliest things.

I think that's part of your problem from when you first joined this community in particular when people were sort of making fun of your approach to things. You came in giving off the vibe that you were going to teach everyone the right way to do things to the point that you created a thread dedicated to yourself answering questions. The whole attract, comfort, seduce thing has been around since the 90's and you just managed to realize that it made sense just a few hours ago.

People may worry about silly things and create posts about it, but maybe you can relate now. You created a post here about your thoughts on pick-up artistry without understanding its core. But now that you understand the core, maybe you can read those posts and figure out what stage of seduction that the poster is asking about and be less judgmental about why they are asking.

I said I'd never seen it put in that way, that it is a very practical way of saying that is easily understood.

I proposed to help people because I believed myself able to and I still do, nothing has changed. The community answered differently and I abandoned that thread, but still in other threads it's the same as I've said. People trying out things they've seen somewhere while their confidence is inexistent, people misunderstanding things and others recommending new methods and behaviors instead of trying to understand and correct their misconceptions. That's what this thread is about, people worrying about the wrong things while ignoring the core.