PUA Forum :: 10 Core Rules: How to win any Insult War LIKA BOSS!

This is a subject that many people misunderstand, abuse or just do not care about.

I am taking a couple of minutes to explain my view on frame wars because I see a lot of people here flexing their PUA muscles and think that this is an actualy war. I can see how this concept can be confusing but hopefully this post will help some of the people overdoing it.

So what is frame wars? Basically a PUA term meaning that whenever two people meet, they are gonna establish a social structure between themselves, who is invited into the others world. Who will subject to the others view of the world? In short, who is dominant and who is submissive. Who leads the conversation?

This is normally nor a problem, it is obvious in most scenarios with people you have daily contact with. Some frames you have to accept: Teachers, bosses etc. Others accept yours: Your employees, students, pets etc. And others are people you just dont care about, like people you meet on the bus.

But when you are in a sarging situation, it can matter. Of course it matters most to the people who are about to lose their frame, or people with weak inner game. Basically, people who feel the need to protect themselves. Sadly, they often do so by attacking, and attacking, and attacking. Until they wear down the other persons frame, and interest.

There are a few tools PUAs use to beat at other peoples frames: Negs, cocky funny, false disqualifiers, and above all, that air of arrogance that tells everybody that, I am not taking anybodys shit and I will teach anyone who even thinks about questioning my authority a lesson. Obviously this mindset is just bad.

That last sentence can be read again!

Get it? Good.

That is a terrible mindset to have. Sadly, I see so many PUAs with this exact mindset. They go around telling themselves that they are the shit. That they can believe that they are awesome and become awesome. The outcome of this mindset is an overly dominant personality, which is in fact not dominant at all. It shows weakness and insecurity.

It is the kind of mindset of people who think that they are right just because it is them and they are always right. Instead of being right because you have experience. Or even better, to accept the fact that you may not be right at all.

But, people with this mindset love to show others how right they are, how awesome they are. That kind of behaviour radiates an air of, I am not strong enough to accept criticism or questioning. So yes, it may seem like strong inner game to some but it is in fact weak.

So the solution to a girl with a strong frame to these PUAs is to smash their own frame down on top of hers. To bury her frame in a barrage of bullshit. To win every single discussion or disagreement by walking all over her and not listen to anyones opinion but their own.

This is overdoing your frame wars.

The other extreme is when you let a girl walk all over you and you agree with everything she says just because you wanna get on her good side. That sucks even worse.

And, no. The answer does not lie somewhere in the middle.

This is how I win every single framewar I enter.

My frame accepts the existance of other peoples frames.

There you have it, a simple solution which is difficult to achieve.

Whenever I meet a person, I expect the other person to have a frame. I expect that this person is better than me in some way or at something and that is not only ok, that is optimal. If the other person is weaker than me in every respect, why would I ever wanna spend time with that person. Sex? Yes, but then I would rather go out or move on until I find another girl who is equally sexy but is mentally at my own level. I can stand not so attractive girls for a night but I cannot stand even 10 seconds with girls who annoy me mentally.
That doesnt mean that I never give anyone a chance, it only means that I give them a chance to impress me and if they cant do that in other ways than looks... Next.

Now I dont mean to sound like oh yes, it is so easy, you can get whoever you want, it is just a sarge away... But that is not the point. The point is: You dont have that girl either. The one you are just sarging, you dont have her yet. You will find out if she is strong enough within the first 10 minutes of conversation. So you have an equally good chance with the other girls in the club.

Having spent the last half year in search for inner strength and harmony, I have found that my frame is strong, very strong. Not because it walks all over other peoples frames or that it destroys them. On the contrary, my frame is strong because I know myself. I know my weaknesses and my strengths. And I accept that I have them. I do not accept that I am gonna have them forever though. So when I meet a girl with a frame that is strong in a different way than mine, my frame merges with and/or absorbs hers. I take the opportunity to learn from her. Not trying to be arrogant or anything here but my frame will not be threatened by hers because I know that the overall inner strength of me is way stronger than the inner strength of most people I meet. Not bragging, just telling you that I have worked hard on it. But most of my strength comes from the fact that I do not see it as a failure if I am wrong. If I have a weakness and someone points out I feel stronger, because I just levelled up by learning from her.

So you see, it is not a war. Fight and you will eventually lose. Both the girl and respect for yourself. Build up your inner game so that you will not feel threatened by someone who is stronger than you, you will get the ability to take a mental beating and like it. Simply because even though it damaged some part of yourself to realize that you suck, it is only a small part of what you build your self confidence on, you have enough to spare. Build up your pillars of confidence, not only on your strongest characteristic but on all of them, if one crumbles, you have the rest to support your ego.

During my half year vacation from the PU world, I have had many interesting discussions with people from the BDSM subculture (real dominant men and women, and also submissive ones). People who jusr radiate strength and confidence so much that it affects others sexually. And they all agree on one thing. Real strength is to admit weakness.

Hope this post will help some of you not to fall into the same arrogancefilled hole I fell in to...

Love

Ezo

Author:	Cupid_007 [ Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:47 pm ]
Post subject:	10 Core Rules: How to win any Insult War LIKA BOSS!
Hey guys, i worked really hard on this post and wanted to get your feedback on what you thought about these ideas. I'll respond to all comments -- SHIT TEST When she pressures you into qualifying yourself to her. Examples: "Are you a player?" "How much money do you make a year?" "What's your profession?" "Why should I go out with you?" "What makes you special over all the other guys?" AMOG TEST When she insults you or acts in a very rude way. Both of which would lower your value if you remain passive. Examples: "You're a disgusting, creepy player!" "You're a homeless man who begs for food." "You smell terrible.""Go fuck yourself!" "Go kill yourself!" "You fuckin' retard!!" 10 CORE RULES FOR RESPONDING TO AMOG TESTS 1. Show that you are emotionally unfazed. Be emotionally unaffected. Show that her comments did not stir your emotions. Be un-reactive. By reacting to her, you are giving her the power and higher-status. This is what she wanted in the first place. The reason why you are giving her the power is because "in any social interaction the one who is reacting more than the other is the one with less value/social-status" (credit: TD). 2. Do not show any sudden change in your emotions. 3. Do not show any sudden change in your body-language (especially your tone/pitch of voice). Even if you are emotionally unaffected inside, she will assume that you were emotionally affected if you have a sudden change in any of these. A lot of people get this one wrong. When they attack others verbally, their tonality changes radically to a more loud, tense, harsh voice. 4. Remain calm, cool and collective. Look like you are in control. 5. Do not show any signs of panic or nervousness. Losing your cool is the same as reacting emotionally. Also, losing your cool is very unattractive because it's the opposite of confidence. 6. Do not assign too much importance to her comment. Don't give it value. 7. Do not even acknowledge the frame seriously. Laugh it off. Consider her attempts at insulting you - amusing. Just like a 4 year old baby saying "fuck you" to big papa. Acknowledging the frame, gives it strength. Being defensive, explaining yourself or actively disagreeing with her, ironically does more damage then good. For example: if you start explaining to her that you are not a homeless man or a player - then you are acknowledging the fact that on some level she had the right to call you that in the first place. It's within your realm of possible reality, that she would think that you are a player. But if you don't even acknowledge it, then you are showing that what she said is so absurd that you won't even bother saying anything against it. 8. Regain lost value by insulting her with humor. 9. Do not sink down to her level by resorting to direct insults. Resorting to direct insults would be too reactive because it goes against a lot of ethics and morals. It's also very crude and shows what kind of person you are. A lot of women would be turned off by a man who has to resort to a chain of swearing. Additionally the negative vibe that is created is a turn off. And finally, the most important reason of all, if you resort to direct insults then you are violating rule #7 because clearly only if she insulted you - would you go so low to insult her back. However, if you mask the insult w/ the pretext of humor and 'i'm just having fun' then all these problems are avoided (for the most part). However, the greatest problem with using insulting, biting humor is lack of lines. It's hard to think of a hurtful, funny remark on the spot. That's why it's important to have canned lines already prepared. If you were a women what comment would you find more attractive and who would you assume has more composure in the situation? Women: You are a pathetic waste of a human being. Man One Responds: Die in a hole biaaatch! Man Two Responds: I like the sound you make when you're quiet. Women: You are a pathetic waste of a human being. Man One Responds: Your ugly and your whole family will die. Man Two Responds: Let's play hide and seek. You go hide. In both cases, the men responded to attack on their status by regaining their status by attacking back. However, man one reacted emotionally, lost composure and came off us low-cultured. While man two, remained emotionally unaffected, calm and fought her off w/ class while still maintaining his dignity and honor. 10. Keep your comeback curt. This guidelines is more difficult to understand but nevertheless just as important as the others. If your biting humor comeback is too wordy then you BY DEFINITION have emotionally reacted to her and have given too much importance to her comment. And this is true - even if humor is used. Women: You are a pathetic waste of a human being. Man: Let's play hide and seek. You go hide. I like the sound you make when you're quiet - it brings peace to the world. Your mom just called me, she said you were past curfew.

Author:	DJ_Z [ Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:45 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 10 Core Rules: How to win any Insult War LIKA BOSS!
This thread identifies the difference between guys who are into pickup and guys who just don't know shit... Pickup isn't about winning "arguments." And if you're more concerned about looking smart and having the last word, you aren't gonna get any good at this. Look up Ezo's old thread on letting your ego be like smoke, and you'll all learn.

Author:	Cupid_007 [ Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:10 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 10 Core Rules: How to win any Insult War LIKA BOSS!
Quote: This thread identifies the difference between guys who are into pickup and guys who just don't know shit... Pickup isn't about winning "arguments." And if you're more concerned about looking smart and having the last word, you aren't gonna get any good at this. Look up Ezo's old thread on letting your ego be like smoke, and you'll all learn. Social status is very real phenomenon. Saying it and AMOG attacks on your social status don't exist or are irrelevant - clearly highlights your blissful ignorance. Imagine a douchebag come up to you while you're with your girlfriend and starts shooting a chain of subtle insults at you because he has enough social value to get away with it. By smiling and passively accepting it because you have 'no ego' - you acknowledge a lower status frame and thereby lose all respect/attraction from the girl. Get back to elementary class, dear waston. Robert Greene 101

Author:	Don Horneone [ Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:04 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 10 Core Rules: How to win any Insult War LIKA BOSS!
If you're in a position where a woman's calling you a pathetic waste of a human being, you probably fucked up

Author:	sugarwallz616 [ Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:36 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 10 Core Rules: How to win any Insult War LIKA BOSS!
Quote: If you're in a position where a woman's calling you a pathetic waste of a human being, you probably fucked up I wouldn't even bother, why not just simply say "You are not someone i want to be around" and just leave.

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Author:	Monsignor Crisanto [ Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:41 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 10 Core Rules: How to win any Insult War LIKA BOSS!
You simply don't argue with verbal insults face-to-face. Just ignore and don't turn your back. Look the person straight in the eye and don't ever look down. When he makes a physical move to hurt you, simply slam your palm on his chin or nose and trip his leg at the same time so you slam him on the pavement as the impact of your palm pushes him down while catching him off balance with the leg sweep. End of argument. Everything else is mental masturbation. It's a different thing though online.

Author:	DJ_Z [ Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:50 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 10 Core Rules: How to win any Insult War LIKA BOSS!
Quote: This is a subject that many people misunderstand, abuse or just do not care about. I am taking a couple of minutes to explain my view on frame wars because I see a lot of people here flexing their PUA muscles and think that this is an actualy war. I can see how this concept can be confusing but hopefully this post will help some of the people overdoing it. So what is frame wars? Basically a PUA term meaning that whenever two people meet, they are gonna establish a social structure between themselves, who is invited into the others world. Who will subject to the others view of the world? In short, who is dominant and who is submissive. Who leads the conversation? This is normally nor a problem, it is obvious in most scenarios with people you have daily contact with. Some frames you have to accept: Teachers, bosses etc. Others accept yours: Your employees, students, pets etc. And others are people you just dont care about, like people you meet on the bus. But when you are in a sarging situation, it can matter. Of course it matters most to the people who are about to lose their frame, or people with weak inner game. Basically, people who feel the need to protect themselves. Sadly, they often do so by attacking, and attacking, and attacking. Until they wear down the other persons frame, and interest. There are a few tools PUAs use to beat at other peoples frames: Negs, cocky funny, false disqualifiers, and above all, that air of arrogance that tells everybody that, I am not taking anybodys shit and I will teach anyone who even thinks about questioning my authority a lesson. Obviously this mindset is just bad. That last sentence can be read again! Get it? Good. That is a terrible mindset to have. Sadly, I see so many PUAs with this exact mindset. They go around telling themselves that they are the shit. That they can believe that they are awesome and become awesome. The outcome of this mindset is an overly dominant personality, which is in fact not dominant at all. It shows weakness and insecurity. It is the kind of mindset of people who think that they are right just because it is them and they are always right. Instead of being right because you have experience. Or even better, to accept the fact that you may not be right at all. But, people with this mindset love to show others how right they are, how awesome they are. That kind of behaviour radiates an air of, I am not strong enough to accept criticism or questioning. So yes, it may seem like strong inner game to some but it is in fact weak. So the solution to a girl with a strong frame to these PUAs is to smash their own frame down on top of hers. To bury her frame in a barrage of bullshit. To win every single discussion or disagreement by walking all over her and not listen to anyones opinion but their own. This is overdoing your frame wars. The other extreme is when you let a girl walk all over you and you agree with everything she says just because you wanna get on her good side. That sucks even worse. And, no. The answer does not lie somewhere in the middle. This is how I win every single framewar I enter. My frame accepts the existance of other peoples frames. There you have it, a simple solution which is difficult to achieve. Whenever I meet a person, I expect the other person to have a frame. I expect that this person is better than me in some way or at something and that is not only ok, that is optimal. If the other person is weaker than me in every respect, why would I ever wanna spend time with that person. Sex? Yes, but then I would rather go out or move on until I find another girl who is equally sexy but is mentally at my own level. I can stand not so attractive girls for a night but I cannot stand even 10 seconds with girls who annoy me mentally. That doesnt mean that I never give anyone a chance, it only means that I give them a chance to impress me and if they cant do that in other ways than looks... Next. Now I dont mean to sound like oh yes, it is so easy, you can get whoever you want, it is just a sarge away... But that is not the point. The point is: You dont have that girl either. The one you are just sarging, you dont have her yet. You will find out if she is strong enough within the first 10 minutes of conversation. So you have an equally good chance with the other girls in the club. Having spent the last half year in search for inner strength and harmony, I have found that my frame is strong, very strong. Not because it walks all over other peoples frames or that it destroys them. On the contrary, my frame is strong because I know myself. I know my weaknesses and my strengths. And I accept that I have them. I do not accept that I am gonna have them forever though. So when I meet a girl with a frame that is strong in a different way than mine, my frame merges with and/or absorbs hers. I take the opportunity to learn from her. Not trying to be arrogant or anything here but my frame will not be threatened by hers because I know that the overall inner strength of me is way stronger than the inner strength of most people I meet. Not bragging, just telling you that I have worked hard on it. But most of my strength comes from the fact that I do not see it as a failure if I am wrong. If I have a weakness and someone points out I feel stronger, because I just levelled up by learning from her. So you see, it is not a war. Fight and you will eventually lose. Both the girl and respect for yourself. Build up your inner game so that you will not feel threatened by someone who is stronger than you, you will get the ability to take a mental beating and like it. Simply because even though it damaged some part of yourself to realize that you suck, it is only a small part of what you build your self confidence on, you have enough to spare. Build up your pillars of confidence, not only on your strongest characteristic but on all of them, if one crumbles, you have the rest to support your ego. During my half year vacation from the PU world, I have had many interesting discussions with people from the BDSM subculture (real dominant men and women, and also submissive ones). People who jusr radiate strength and confidence so much that it affects others sexually. And they all agree on one thing. Real strength is to admit weakness. Hope this post will help some of you not to fall into the same arrogancefilled hole I fell in to... Love Ezo Found it

Author:	n2thevoid [ Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:23 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 10 Core Rules: How to win any Insult War LIKA BOSS!
Real strength is also being vulnerable, and having the courage to do so. Ego only blocks things. Comebacks may satiate it momentarily but they are just tactics to protect the ego. Once you get past the ego there's no resistance and there's an indifference towards one's acceptance to you (or lack thereof).

Author:	Cupid_007 [ Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:50 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 10 Core Rules: How to win any Insult War LIKA BOSS!
Quote: Found it I will read this post as soon as I can. It looks like there's a lot of important gems in it. I've read some of it so far and I liked how he emphasizes the dangers of being overly-dominant, overly-aggressive in setting frames and being close minded. All of these things stem from insecurity and a lack of confidence.

Author:	Cupid_007 [ Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:57 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 10 Core Rules: How to win any Insult War LIKA BOSS!
Quote: Real strength is also being vulnerable, and having the courage to do so. Ego only blocks things. Comebacks may satiate it momentarily but they are just tactics to protect the ego. Once you get past the ego there's no resistance and there's an indifference towards one's acceptance to you (or lack thereof). Yes, real strength does come from letting go of your ego and being vulnerable. However, being indifferent will not save you from vicious insulting, AMOG attacks on you - in attempts to steal your grilfriend. When one is insulted multiple times in front of others and his own girlfriend, being silent out of indifference will not regain lost value. You respond not because you were emotionally fazed or affected but because other people's perceptions of your social status makes a very practical difference. Dude standing with his girlfriend enjoying a drink. His friend comes over: "What's up... OMG dude you smell like you haven't had a shower in years!" Dude responds: Friend: "I don't want you looking like you live in the streets like a homeless man." Dude responds: Yea Friend: "Take a bath. If you want you can use my urinal to wash yourself." Dude: haha Friend > Dude

Author:	Cupid_007 [ Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:59 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 10 Core Rules: How to win any Insult War LIKA BOSS!
Quote: You simply don't argue with verbal insults face-to-face. Just ignore and don't turn your back. Look the person straight in the eye and don't ever look down. When he makes a physical move to hurt you, simply slam your palm on his chin or nose and trip his leg at the same time so you slam him on the pavement as the impact of your palm pushes him down while catching him off balance with the leg sweep. End of argument. Everything else is mental masturbation. It's a different thing though online. Leaving is a better option. However, sometimes this is not always a viable option. It's best to prepare for those situations in which it is not an option.

Author:	Cupid_007 [ Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:00 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 10 Core Rules: How to win any Insult War LIKA BOSS!
Quote: Quote: If you're in a position where a woman's calling you a pathetic waste of a human being, you probably fucked up I wouldn't even bother, why not just simply say "You are not someone i want to be around" and just leave. Sometimes a girl will use over-the-top teases that may seem very harsh as a means of testing to see how alpha you are. They do this not out of disinterest and sheer-hate but rather because they are interested in you potentially romantically and want to gauge your reaction. She needs to feel safe with you. And if you can't properly stand up to her, then how will you stand up for her - in this competitive, brutal world we live in today. Furthermore, I agree that only bitchy girls would do this - but is it a good idea to not be able to have sex with these bitchy girls only because you lack the ability to properly respond? Sure, they might not be relationship material but why not have sex with them. I'm of the opinion that bitchier girls are also sluttier.

Author:	DJ_Z [ Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:47 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 10 Core Rules: How to win any Insult War LIKA BOSS!
Quote: Quote: Quote: If you're in a position where a woman's calling you a pathetic waste of a human being, you probably fucked up I wouldn't even bother, why not just simply say "You are not someone i want to be around" and just leave. Sometimes a girl will use over-the-top teases that may seem very harsh as a means of testing to see how alpha you are. They do this not out of disinterest and sheer-hate but rather because they are interested in you potentially romantically and want to gauge your reaction. She needs to feel safe with you. And if you can't properly stand up to her, then how will you stand up for her - in this competitive, brutal world we live in today. Furthermore, I agree that only bitchy girls would do this - but is it a good idea to not be able to have sex with these bitchy girls only because you lack the ability to properly respond? Sure, they might not be relationship material but why not have sex with them. I'm of the opinion that bitchier girls are also sluttier. They aren't, it's just your way of justifying this silly behavior.

Author:	Cupid_007 [ Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:16 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 10 Core Rules: How to win any Insult War LIKA BOSS!
Quote: They aren't, it's just your way of justifying this silly behavior. Perhaps. But it's still logic you can't break - except by resorting to accusations.

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Author:	n2thevoid [ Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:31 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 10 Core Rules: How to win any Insult War LIKA BOSS!
Indifference is best, path of least resistance The more you challenge the AMOGing the more you lose your grounding. I couldn't care any less she's my girl. Reacting is a kid's game.