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Author:  Valley05 [ Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:26 pm ]
Post subject:  POLL: Time to Master PUA
There are other definitions of a Master PUA, bit for this poll I will define it as:

Seeing a girl you want and be able to get with and being able to with (almost) guaranteed success.

Get refers being able to approach, attract and seduce any girl.

I say almost because interactions have a lot of variables and maybe your personality types don't click, she's in a serious relationship, etc. But 99% success rate.
Author:  Hunter_Foxe [ Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: POLL: Time to Master PUA
There is no such thing as mastery.

The richest, smoothest, celebrity PUA cannot fuck 100% of women he approaches. He cannot even fuck 20% of the women he approaches. Your mentality is completely wrong. Pickup should not and cannot be measured in terms of baseball "batting averages".

Your question is full of limiting beliefs. You think "oh I'm not a Level 9 PUA yet, I'm not ready to approach that HB9, I will stick to HB6's until I master the next 3 levels of game."

Today could be your first day picking up women. Approach the hottest HB10 RIGHT FROM DAY ONE and stop waiting for that "Emperor's New Clothes" eureka moment, when all the magic pills will suddenly work.

Deep down, you want there to be a simple answer to your poll, because you feel physically crushed every time a girl rejects you because your ego cannot handle the humiliation.

Embrace rejection and girls will reject you less. Stop caring what girls (and other dudes) think of you and make girls care what you think of them instead.
Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: POLL: Time to Master PUA
There is no time frame. Everybody has a different learning curve. Some learn fast. Some learn slow.

Likewise, there's no such thing as a 100% perfect sarge. You can't close 100%. Hell, even manufacturing gurus know there can't be 100% perfection. They're satisfied with 96.67% for plastic, composite, fiber, and metal components.

Now, with humans where the variables are too great, you really can't aim for 96.67%. Warren Buffet is doing 27% during good times. If you can do 25%, you're probably the best in the world when it comes to seduction or pick up. (I'm talking about penis in the vagina not just number closes.)
Author:  Valley05 [ Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: POLL: Time to Master PUA
Thanks for the feedback.

I'll concede I got the success percentage off, I was aware it's not possible to close every set but misjudged.

I'll redefine it, for the sake of this poll The time to Master PUA will be:

The total accumulated time required (including in field practice and out of field work (eg, reading
this forum, PUA books, developing routines, inner game, etc)) in order to convert (#Close, K-Close, maintain a number of girls in a holding pattern, etc) on a regular and consistent basis.


Although reading that back it does sound like the baseball batting average again, so you probably
won't like that definition either.



Hunter_Foxe, you've presumed some things that are a bit off.

I don't actually believe I have to work up from the HB5s to the HB9s.

Quote:
Deep down, you want there to be a simple answer to your poll
Erm... close but not really, I'm more interested in gauging the time required to be able to achieve a consistent level of results, be able to gain a handle on all elements of game and integrate them into in field practice in a sub conscious way. Kinda like driving a manual car, in the beginning you have to think about everything(gas off, clutch down, gear move, clutch up slowly, etc) but soon you do it naturally without even thinking.

Quote:
you feel physically crushed every time a girl rejects you because your ego cannot handle the humiliation.
Your first two presumptions were heading in the right direction, this one is off.
You used the phrase 'limiting belief' so I take it you also have an understanding of 'Transformational Vocabulary'.
I'd never use the phrase humiliated, I'd tone it down to 'irritated'(or something similar) and then justify it internally by saying 'you never get rejected you simply figure out whether or not a girl has taste' or ignore the AFCs that won't even approach girls.
Quote:
Embrace rejection and girls will reject you less. Stop caring what girls (and other dudes) think of you and make girls care what you think of them instead.
This bit I appreciate man, cheers.
Author:  Hunter_Foxe [ Fri Mar 07, 2014 7:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: POLL: Time to Master PUA
It depends what you define as "success". If success means approaching without fear, you could get to that level very quickly if you are already a social guy with lots of friends already. If you are backwardly shy / nerd type, it will take you longer. I recommend you find wingmen if your goal is to improve as fast as possible. Sarging alone requires solid unshakeable confidence, you will get better at it with practice.

Any PUA guru who says he crushes every single night with guaranteed lays whenever he wants is lying... BUT the reason WHY he lies is because it is a positive mindset to have. Believing the lie helps you get laid. Believe it now and you could get laid tonight.

Go out now, you're ready for it. Reading more theory won't teach you how to stop getting rejected, but experience will reduce it massively and help you handle it emotionally when it does happen.
Author:  kasabi [ Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: POLL: Time to Master PUA
Some will never figure it out.

When you do, you won't care about the stats. You won't care because you'll figure girls out. You'll figure out that they are in fact human beings with desires, fears, worries, cares, etc . . . They have their own lives to live. They have their social positions to take care of . . . who knows . . . sometimes they're down to their last underwear because the hamper is full and don't feel like showing off 3 year old panties to a stranger. As you meet more people and face unique situations, all of these things will become more familiar. That's right. . . you will be able to properly guess, "shit, she just needs a place to spray her pussy down before we get it on. . . " You'll be able to figure out that, "She just needs to be able to properly justify leaving the bar on her own to her older sister. . . " And even then you won't be able to figure out half the shit you face. Still . . . it'll be better than 0 intuition. And these intuitions only come from meeting a lot of people and meshing with them. Until then, the best thing you can do is just keep an open mind and hit the next chick. . . and the next, next, and next.
Author:  skills360 [ Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: POLL: Time to Master PUA
Quote:
There is no such thing as mastery.

The richest, smoothest, celebrity PUA cannot fuck 100% of women he approaches. He cannot even fuck 20% of the women he approaches. Your mentality is completely wrong. Pickup should not and cannot be measured in terms of baseball "batting averages".

Your question is full of limiting beliefs. You think "oh I'm not a Level 9 PUA yet, I'm not ready to approach that HB9, I will stick to HB6's until I master the next 3 levels of game."

Today could be your first day picking up women. Approach the hottest HB10 RIGHT FROM DAY ONE and stop waiting for that "Emperor's New Clothes" eureka moment, when all the magic pills will suddenly work.

Deep down, you want there to be a simple answer to your poll, because you feel physically crushed every time a girl rejects you because your ego cannot handle the humiliation.

Embrace rejection and girls will reject you less. Stop caring what girls (and other dudes) think of you and make girls care what you think of them instead.

^ very good.... Most dudes get 6-8, the occasional 9 and the rare 10. As long as you can convert 1 out of 10 women or better you are doing pretty good.
Author:  Jay (Majik) [ Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: POLL: Time to Master PUA
Honestly, who cares?

Get it figured out no matter how long it takes. Even if you don't get it figured out until you're 50... don't be the old guy sitting by yourself at Chili's.

Just enjoy the ride of learning it :)
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