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Author:  Barney D. Stinson [ Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:00 am ]
Post subject:  Apocalypse opener - changes
Just came across and used the Apocalypse opener.

4 times used. 4 times make-out, 3 times laid; the other woman's ex-boyfriend came over and I just said "She's turned on to the point of wanting sex so bad; in her eyes you'll be forever known as the guy that wasted it"... she found me on Facebook the next day.

Now I'm couchsurfing at the house of 1 of the best PUA's in Manchester for the whole week. We are gonna go out and just blitz a wide radius of places. I want to use this opener whilst I'm there.

I can see the area that I could change it so that we'd have sex at her place but, does it have the same effect? Well there's 2 ways it can be changed but still.
Has anyone had success using this and going back to HER place?
Author:  Heywood Jablowme [ Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:24 pm ]
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Please outline your interaction while using the Apocalypse.

I have used it, in fact I used it on a HB8 bartender, I was in a bar that I knew was closing in an hour (10pm). I said What are you doing after you close this dump?
She said "Nothing, going home." I said "No we are going to my place!" She said "Do you have anything to drink there?" ...the rest is History.

That was this past summer, I have not had the need to use it since.

But would like to try it again, hearing some winning examples would be helpful.
Author:  Barney D. Stinson [ Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:40 pm ]
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That is in the same kinda sense that I've used as well.

But with couchsurfing in Manchester I have to change it so that were going back to her place.
The use of "do you want to come back to my place?" I think is totally dominant approach and if done correctly, perfect.

Howver, I don't know if changing it to "do you want to come back to YOUR place with me?" Would crush the dominance effect and initiate ASD...and possibly a pint in your face haha ohh how I loved the Rejection Games!
Author:  Heywood Jablowme [ Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:06 pm ]
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That is in the same kinda sense that I've used as well.

But with couchsurfing in Manchester I have to change it so that were going back to her place.
The use of "do you want to come back to my place?" I think is totally dominant approach and if done correctly, perfect.

Howver, I don't know if changing it to "do you want to come back to YOUR place with me?" Would crush the dominance effect and initiate ASD...and possibly a pint in your face haha ohh how I loved the Rejection Games!
Here is my twist on that, instead of
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"do you want to come back to YOUR place with me?"
I would change it up to: "I'm only in town a couple more days, we ARE going to your place!" I think that would carry the dominant factor through the "set".
Author:  Barney D. Stinson [ Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:26 pm ]
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I would change it up to: "I'm only in town a couple more days, we ARE going to your place!" I think that would carry the dominant factor through the "set".
This is good stuff. It still carries the dominant factor. My concern is the first part
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"I'm only in town a couple more days"
Sounds like it's from a slightly needy/desperate standpoint. It might be possible for a nice flow from the normal "What are you doing later?"
How about
"I want a change of morning scenery, we ARE going to your place!"
Author:  Heywood Jablowme [ Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:58 pm ]
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I would change it up to: "I'm only in town a couple more days, we ARE going to your place!" I think that would carry the dominant factor through the "set".
This is good stuff. It still carries the dominant factor. My concern is the first part
Quote:
"I'm only in town a couple more days"
Sounds like it's from a slightly needy/desperate standpoint. It might be possible for a nice flow from the normal "What are you doing later?"
How about
"I want a change of morning scenery, we ARE going to your place!"
That's what bouncing ideas is all about!
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"I want a change of morning scenery
I like this, I think it would work as well.

I worded it like this
Quote:
"I'm only in town a couple more days"
to reaffirm that thought in her head, "If I'm going to fuck this guy, this may be my only chance!"
Author:  Barney D. Stinson [ Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:15 pm ]
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That's what bouncing ideas is all about!
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"I want a change of morning scenery
I like this, I think it would work as well.

I worded it like this
Quote:
"I'm only in town a couple more days"
to reaffirm that thought in her head, "If I'm going to fuck this guy, this may be my only chance!"
Bouncing idea's round is awesome, its how people learn so it's totally encouraged by me.

Ahh I see, I was coming from a different standpoint. I will attempt both and see the results...

**SIDE NOTE**
With an opener like this she is totally viewing you on what you demonstrate after the opener. The key is don't demonstrate any kino/flirting nada.. just be a chode, literally. And if she walks off, go back and have fun with your friends, give her 10 minutes and she'll be so damn intrigued that she'll come to you.

Please don't try this if you're not confident with approaches yet, you will likely get a pint in your face and she HAS to be alone, otherwise her friends will respond negatively. This is done in the mindset of "it's no biggy"
Author:  7000 [ Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:49 pm ]
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Could you not just change it to "so we're going back to your place then" or something like that. I don't really see the need for the first bit of the sentence. Surely any first bit that in some way qualifies what you're about to say sort of diminishes from the point of the apocalypse opener. You don't need to try and rationalise it ("we need to go back to yours because.... "it's my last few days here" etc.), you're just coming out with the fact you two should sleep together tonight upfront.
Author:  Barney D. Stinson [ Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Apocalypse opener - changes
I see your point, in the meaning of coming out dominant and honest/upfront.

It just adds a bit more fun to it "I'm only in town a couple more days" shows that you will give her privacy, the closure of a 1 night stand. Telling her this then means you doing need to qualify anything else at all, you could talk about the weather, what your pet did when it escaped, whatever. She'd have raw attraction, she just wants to check out that you're not a serial killer or whatever.

However, psychology would say that you greatly increase your chances if you rationalise what your saying with "words".
I say it like "words" because guys tend not to pick the best words...

For example "so we're going back to your place then"

"SO"
The word "So" lowers value, to a girl it implies that you're struggling to escalate. Ever heard a girl when she's bored with a guy "sooo did you do anything today" "sooo hows your dog" etc... lowers value.

"We're"
Guys this is totally non-dominant and portrays sluggish behaviour. Instead say "we are", it's dominant! Think of it like a Courtroom, what has more effect? "We're" or "we ARE" You can even feel the forceful dominance in your voice when you say it compared to "we're"!

"Then"
When used in this context it doesn't sound good.

I'm not trying to knock you down dude, I just want to point out the way's to improve. I think your sentence would work better structured like this
"so we are going back to your place"

I just feel that this is a bit too arrogant and would end with a pint in your face. Would be great to test it out. Maybe on a Rejection Games night, where shit doesn't matter.

Still dude, keep experimenting and creating new things
Author:  7000 [ Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:34 pm ]
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Your last 4 sentences confuse me somewhat. When you say you've used the apocalypse opener, what exactly have you been saying? The whole point of it is to come across slightly arrogant. You go across, basically ask a girl what she's doing later, then tell/ask her if she she wants to go home with you. That is the apocalypse opener. It is supposed to be ballsy and cheeky. If you rationalise it or try to soften it up, it just loses it's whole effect.


As for the rest, disagree with most of it. If a girl says she's not doing anything tonight or whatever, then you would obviously say "so" at the start. Entirely dependent on what the line before was. I did say 'or something like that' because you have to word the exact bits in response to what the girl has said the line before.

We're - in most English accents - just sounds more natural. Saying "we are" can sound a bit disjointed.

Again, "then"; if she has just said that she's not doing anything, you would say "so we're going to yours tonight then" in response to her earlier response.


If, as your original question seemed to be asking, you wanted to change the apocalypse opener from inviting her back to yours to getting to hers, then quite simply all you'd need to do is say "let's go back to yours" instead of "mine".
Author:  Barney D. Stinson [ Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:53 pm ]
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I followed the exact layout of the apocalypse opener as I have my own house I can basically take her home easy enough. Even that at 20yr old is pretty impressive.
Yeah dude it's supposed to portray that, I was just thinking that if you turn it so that we are going to her place, it would be like flipping the ASD switch and she'd react.

Exactly dude, that's why I didn't want to knock you down.
I think the "we are" is really vital. I am from the UK and I can tell you, if I said "we are going to go for it" opposed to "we're going to go for it". Which one sounds more dominant, more decisive.. I think it's the first 1 but we all have our differences.

Yeah dude, with "then" I just meant in that sentence, it's totally fine to use it. It was just an unnecessary add-on. Even to her response, "then" really doesn't need to be used, although I know that people do frequently. It doesn't affect the outcome. I do feel it puts kind of onus on her, like it was her idea, which would possibly initiate ASD later on.

Yeah man, it was more, has anyone tried using the apocalypse opener to go to her place. I fancy trying them all if I'm honest, I don't care about rejection, just throw on another t-shirt and away we go again!
Author:  Filmmaker [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:21 pm ]
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Hey Barney, so how did it go for you in Manchester then?
Author:  TheFury [ Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:46 pm ]
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Lol. This is a low percentage opener unless you are Brad Pitt, and even then it's probably lower percentage than a lot of things. I've tried it a bunch because it's easy as shit to execute but the success rate is extremely low, at least it as for me.
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