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Author:  Don Horneone [ Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Attraction: created or pre-existing

I've been reading 60YOC lately and I think it's great. It's the first PUA material I've read which has made me question Mystery Method as the benchmark of PUA techniques.

There's an interesting difference between the two. Where Mystery Method has a three-part attraction phase, 60YOC suggests that attraction is pre-existing and that all you have to do is take advantage of it/avoid killing it.

There's obviously no absolute resolution to this question, but what I want to know is, which assumption do you build your game around? Do you assume that nature has granted you attraction with the lady of your choice and that all you have to do is go with the flow and not mess it up? Or do you assume that attraction has to be built through DHVing/negging/any other such technique?

Author:  Little Panda [ Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:54 pm ]
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You don't necessarily have to assume attraction right from the start (that would frankly be a little arrogant) - but assume that it's socially acceptable speaking to whoever the hell you want to speak to.

And as you are speaking to the woman, assume she has SOME level of interest, as she is standing there talking to you. Be realistic with a hint of optimism. You're in set. She's talking to you. This means she has 'attraction' for you. Now it's your queue to take it a step further.

And if you believe this all throughout the set and you focus on the end-goal (picking her up) instead of all the bs that can come in between - the strong attraction WILL build due to the qualities you are showing by going for what you want instead of reacting to her behavior.

So the answer to the poll would be . . . Both. Initial attraction exists, but stronger attraction is created.

Author:  Kubrik's [ Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:23 pm ]
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Attraction is like money; you can be born with it or you can be born without it, if you are born without it, you can work hard to earn it, but if you are perseverant you'll finally get it. so, work hard and you'll get whatever you want. No postponing, no excuses.
Are you fat? Go to the gym, Do you have confidence problems? Go out and talk to people!
Yes, you can create attraction, but it is not easy.

Author:  machiavillain [ Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:48 pm ]
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Who gives the first IOI?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBOtj1RmaUE

Author:  skills360 [ Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Attraction: created or pre-existing

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I've been reading 60YOC lately and I think it's great. It's the first PUA material I've read which has made me question Mystery Method as the benchmark of PUA techniques.

There's an interesting difference between the two. Where Mystery Method has a three-part attraction phase, 60YOC suggests that attraction is pre-existing and that all you have to do is take advantage of it/avoid killing it.

There's obviously no absolute resolution to this question, but what I want to know is, which assumption do you build your game around? Do you assume that nature has granted you attraction with the lady of your choice and that all you have to do is go with the flow and not mess it up? Or do you assume that attraction has to be built through DHVing/negging/any other such technique?

60 yoc is one if not the best material there is, but it has his flaws, like escalation creates attraction(is more a bit of marketing), that is not necessarily true, what escalation does is to help as a screening mechanism, and also escalation raises attraction, that is somewhat already there either from a girl that is neutral or interested.
Attraction can be both created or pre existing...

Author:  madals [ Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:51 pm ]
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Well, you have successful managed to make me write a post which nowadays is one hell of an achievement!

Now, the point you raise is something I find incredibly interesting - how much do we manipulate attraction?

Well first I think it is important to think about what we can perceive about someone before speaking to them. It isn't as limited as people initially think:
1) Social status
2) Self esteem
3) Wealth
4) Physical attraction (both fitness + good looking)

Now, those are 4 fairly basic points and most of which can be assessed in a matter of seconds by a complete stranger just from looking at you. Normally, people will also be able to make some opinions as to your personality from the way you dress.
Based on that, we can therefore assume that attraction is often pre-existing.

However. Most of those traits will only be an initial judgement and could be completely false. Take for example wealth, a millionaire could put on scruffy clothes just as easily as someone with a net worth of £2k could blow it on designer labels and look rich (at least for 1 outfit). If those two people walked into a Bentley garage, they would be treated differently based on the sales staffs judgement of them, but their opinions would likely change when one pulls out their platinum card and the other a few coins. This can be very similar with attraction, how we interact with people can very quickly change their perception of us depending on how we interact with both them, and others.

Really, it comes down to a fundamental human instinct, we are always judging others. What parents teach their kids is incredibly counter intuitive to what biologically we are hard-wired to do. Ultimately, you need to judge threats / mates / etc very quickly to maximise your success in life. You also need to constantly re-evaluate those things on a subconscious level.

Once you factor in that everyone has individual things they are more and less attracted to, I think attraction can be created. But it is completely reliant on the other person not already finding you un-attractive.

Therefore, I am of the opinion that attraction can be both pre-existing and created, but at no stage can you become unattractive to the other person and as a result a lot of people actually mess up possible attraction rather than create it from where it doesn't exist (a prime example of this is very attractive guys who have 0 social skills) or foster some attraction into something that is to a degree both parties will act upon.

So how does this relate to day to day life? I like to think of it as a scale 1 being you are repulsive and 10 being they are literally jumping you.

Most people will view others somewhere between 4 and 6 as most people are pretty average. Very few people will find you repulsive (under 3) just from looking at you unless you are extreme in some way. But likewise, if you are extreme in some way, people may well find you very attractive based on that (lots of piercings for example).
When you start talking to people, you then are able to show them more about you and they will further judge you and how they feel about you. This is where a lot can be gained of lost depending on your social skills.

So, take John Smith for example. Completely average looking and people would be neutral to him from just looking (5). When he talks, he has great game and is a really cool guy that takes him to an 8 and guess what, that is enough to take the girl home.

Now take Brad Pitt, most women find him hot + rich + famous so he starts as a 7 and most girls would pretty much be ready to take him home without saying anything. Lets say the first words he said to a girl were "you are fat and your mum is a whore". Probably not going to get the girl.

In the end, most attraction will be created from some small spark. Mostly though, you wont turn a hater into a lover :P

Author:  poeticlyskuac [ Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:52 am ]
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Why are you asking this question again? I answered it for you based off of multiple scientist's studies included among them are two anthropologists, one biologist, and an zoologist in the thread you asked already. Do you really want more? This isn't my information I post most of the time it is information I've learned and chose to share.

Do you really want a different answer? Or do you want what scientists say? You had one phd in that video plus I gave you a statement based on 4 other scientists.

Peace and Love,

Vic

Author:  pumpington [ Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Attraction: created or pre-existing

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There's obviously no absolute resolution to this question, but what I want to know is, which assumption do you build your game around?
exlusively? neither
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Do you assume that nature has granted you attraction with the lady of your choice and that all you have to do is go with the flow and not mess it up?
in some cases (most cases)
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Or do you assume that attraction has to be built through DHVing/negging/any other such technique?
has to be built vs can be built are sort of different, sometimes it may have to be built, other times it's already there and so obvious that you would need to be autistic to not pick up on it

madals might as well have just written my post for me +1 on that post right there

Author:  worldrunner [ Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:38 am ]
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My believe is that attraction between straight men and women is always there. If anybody of you gets stuck in a dessert island with the "ugliest" woman in the planet. I'm sure that for you in that scenario she will be the most beautiful woman in the world and you'll feel very attracted to her... And the same will happen to her.

We humans have our heads full of BS we are bombarded with tons of BS all day long from everywhere trying to sell us a concept of attraction and beauty which is false.

We humans are also social creatures and before taking any action we have some very fast processing mechanism that kind of predicts if the perception of society about us will change and if our self image will change by taking action or not.

So in order to pick up someone 2 things can happen.
1 through your appearance, body language, etc, you fit in naturally in the kind of guy that she believes it will be appropriate to have sex with.
2 you do not fit naturally, so you would have to put an act on her creating the illusion that you are one of those types of guys where it would be ok for her to have sex with you. OR you can erase some of the BS in her head and show her that she is a women with natural desires and that you are man with natural desires and that the most natural thing to do is to have sex.

Author:  SexAddict911 [ Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Attraction: created or pre-existing

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Do you assume that nature has granted you attraction with the lady of your choice and that all you have to do is go with the flow and not mess it up? Or do you assume that attraction has to be built through DHVing/negging/any other such technique?
Both are true in a sense but not the only options.

What the writers may of failed to mention and is in my opinion one of the most influential in deciding attraction, is the observers present state of mind.

For example:

A woman scorned or scarred(played) from a man of your general style and look. As opposed to how she felt the before she met him. Her present state of mind can and will have a huge influence on her present level of attraction.

Sure we all as humans have our own personal preference of attractions and desires but as our perspectives and perception in life change, so do our moods, desires, wants and needs. All variables of attraction.


This is why game exists, to battle the never ending list of possible and potential variables.

Author:  detox75 [ Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:34 am ]
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Too much time and high end talent is being extended arguing a false premise extracted from a phoney hypothesis.

Author:  puaninja [ Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:30 pm ]
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I'm sure women have varying degrees of attraction to guys just by looking at them. But that alone won't make her act on it, unless she thinks you are super hot. That's why you need to employ attraction building mechanisms. This will heighten her attraction to you, or create it if it wasn't there to begin with.

Author:  Jesus_PT [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:32 am ]
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it can actually be created but also pre-existing.

your aura/ mind-setting / self esteem will most of the times sky rocket your levels of attractiveness/ attraction.

it's the natural allure that will draw women, although some guidelines are also pre-formatted due to social conventions and standards.


actually, its funny how the belief systems can correlate with the beauty patterns and, therefore, forge or create/ build up new attraction levels

Author:  User13247 [ Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Attraction: created or pre-existing

Pre-existing attraction... Is that the kind where the girl doesn't know that you exist but still wants to fuck you? Attraction exists before you open your mouth to talk, sure, but the idea of attraction being pre-existing is just stupid: how can you feel anything about a person that you do not know exists?

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