I want to play on that fear of me not liking her, or her losing me.

Why? Just be cocky and funny and direct.

Both men and women are greatly motivated by the desire to validate their egos, to prove that they are good enough for this or that. Fear is the most dominant emotion in comparison to all others. When women have behaved most desperately towards me its been in situations where they wanted to prove that they could have me. I want to harness this power more.

Its not just about being a prize, but being a challenge. Some prizes are easy...

I'm pretty sure you're confusing the goal from the strategy. For reasons I might be able to guess but only you will know, you desire to neg(and not in the classical pick up sense) and you desire to make girls feel desperate. No need to play online psychology but it's might be worth your while to think about this a little bit. Who made you feel so desperate? Don't attempt to solve past issues by reliving it in the future. . .

Any how, back to the topic... as much as wannabe guru-master pua's might lead the community to believe otherwise, it's probably 90%+ your lifestyle and character that will lead girls to go crazy for you. Your verbal communication merely augments the reality that you live. And due to their personal history and psychological make-up, some chicks just happen to fall for low-level drug dealers. Some girls happen to fall for military guys. Others dig CEO, rock and rollers, etc . . . the interesting thing is that there are some common traits shared by successful military guys, ceo's, or rock and rollers. It's these common traits and common skillets that you'd naturally exude in conversation that would get girls to gravitate to you in conversation.

Now "neg", the strategy, is different from "neg-ative". The end goal is not to be neg-ative to her but to make her think, "Oh fuck, I want this guy so much but I'm not in his league. . . " - which in turn makes a girl do some crazy things on a night out. Telling her she has ugly shoes or the wrong dress really doesn't achieve this.

Successful people(those who've worked for success) are rarely negative to those he manages. He'll guide them, offer them support, encourage them . . . but the limitation of this positiveness usually lies in his time. He's simply too busy to hold his people's hands 24/7. So the way this works is a small glimpse of your World, followed by limitations due to your time/life. Another small glimpse of your World, followed by further limitations due to your time/life.

Some might mistake "showing a glimpse" of your life as showing off but that's not the way it works. If she tells you that she teaches 4th grade and you tell her, "Those kids probably don't even know how lucky they have it." - you are in fact demonstrating to her your position in life. . . this is a glimpse. But of course if you are in fact a person of some value, you'd know people . . .you'd have events, you'd be traveling. You'd have an answer for her social life, professional life. You'd have been to most places she'd have been + 100's more. . . and you'd demonstrate all of these things the way successful people often do. . . with "you sentences".

Inadequacy is probably more accurate than fear and attempting to create ^this dynamic artificially might work for a few hours on a night of drinking and lying.

I'm pretty sure you're confusing the goal from the strategy. For reasons I might be able to guess but only you will know, you desire to neg(and not in the classical pick up sense) and you desire to make girls feel desperate. No need to play online psychology but it's might be worth your while to think about this a little bit. Who made you feel so desperate? Don't attempt to solve past issues by reliving it in the future. . .

Any how, back to the topic... as much as wannabe guru-master pua's might lead the community to believe otherwise, it's probably 90%+ your lifestyle and character that will lead girls to go crazy for you. Your verbal communication merely augments the reality that you live. And due to their personal history and psychological make-up, some chicks just happen to fall for low-level drug dealers. Some girls happen to fall for military guys. Others dig CEO, rock and rollers, etc . . . the interesting thing is that there are some common traits shared by successful military guys, ceo's, or rock and rollers. It's these common traits and common skillets that you'd naturally exude in conversation that would get girls to gravitate to you in conversation.

Now "neg", the strategy, is different from "neg-ative". The end goal is not to be neg-ative to her but to make her think, "Oh fuck, I want this guy so much but I'm not in his league. . . " - which in turn makes a girl do some crazy things on a night out. Telling her she has ugly shoes or the wrong dress really doesn't achieve this.

Successful people(those who've worked for success) are rarely negative to those he manages. He'll guide them, offer them support, encourage them . . . but the limitation of this positiveness usually lies in his time. He's simply too busy to hold his people's hands 24/7. So the way this works is a small glimpse of your World, followed by limitations due to your time/life. Another small glimpse of your World, followed by further limitations due to your time/life.

Some might mistake "showing a glimpse" of your life as showing off but that's not the way it works. If she tells you that she teaches 4th grade and you tell her, "Those kids probably don't even know how lucky they have it." - you are in fact demonstrating to her your position in life. . . this is a glimpse. But of course if you are in fact a person of some value, you'd know people . . .you'd have events, you'd be traveling. You'd have an answer for her social life, professional life. You'd have been to most places she'd have been + 100's more. . . and you'd demonstrate all of these things the way successful people often do. . . with "you sentences".

Inadequacy is probably more accurate than fear and attempting to create ^this dynamic artificially might work for a few hours on a night of drinking and lying.

thank you for your contributions to this forum

You guys have offered an appraisal on the good and the value of my method, but you have not given me suggestions on how to neg with the direct approach. More than a prize I want to be a challenge. Whatever you think of the reasons I want to do this and you must admit that it is advantageous to be the dominant person in your relationship.

Often, successful people are assholes. They are dictatorial and demanding hitler type personalities that drive the workers below them to countless hours of work. Also, these people are often incredibly rude, condescending and insulting to their employees. This is how its going down on Wall Street, this is how it works in Washington, and this is what happens in any major sports locker room...to an incredible degree people that are successful are driven by the need to validate themselves, to prove that they are good enough or better than others or to avoid being ridiculed. THats whats going on in the workplace guys, the fear of ridicule and being inadequate is used as motivation. That is why I used the Michael Jordan example, that the desire to prove himself...the fear of being inadequate motivated him to greatness.

I want to say this its not that I do not value myself... You can demonstrate all the value that you want to demostrate. You can be all that and a bag of chips, but if you are not a challenge you actually lose value. The desire to validate herself will make a girl act desperate for a lifetime...a lifetime.

I have always understood a neg to mean to use negative emotion to attract. The idea is not that you make the women feel like shit. The idea is not to lower her self-esteem. The idea is to flip the script and to be a challenge. to make her wonder I might not be able to get him. You know to get her pride involved and what is most clear because she is afraid of being inadequate she chases you and chases you desperately.

Now this can be achieve different ways. 1.) you demonstrate value and you show disinterest. 2.) You give her very little attention 3.) You tell her what to do 4.) You judge her 5.) you neg her.

This may sound bad because you are using negative emotion to get the girl to want you, but it works.Too many people only rely on positive emotion. You know there's the caraot and the stick. YOu know there are some teachers that you want to please because they compliment you and then there are the teachers that are critical and you want to prove themselves to them. I suppose one reason why this may sound bad to most is because it seems like you're preying on girls with low self-esteem and self-confidence because people without confidence can't help but to give in to negative pressure. But, these girls don't have a lack of confidence the have big egos, these HB10s...they have big egos and think that she should have any guy they want and when they can't they want to prove themselves they want to validate their ego

Now this can be achieve different ways. 1.) you demonstrate value and you show disinterest. 2.) You give her very little attention 3.) You tell her what to do 4.) You judge her 5.) you neg her.

the interesting concept you have here is that a girl with a lot of self confidence and a high self esteem will react to her ego being challenged, when it is most likely to the contrary, a person (male or female) with a high level of self esteem and self confidence is in reality less likely to react to their ego being challenged as compared to someone with low self esteem who feels the need to prove themselves

when you ''neg'' a girl, you are simply qualifying her and setting the frame that she does not meet your standards

it is meant to come off as a qualification that she does not meet

example
''wow, your hair is so pretty, If you just got some hair extensions it would be perfect''

she just doesn't quite meet your standards, when you are being direct, your intentions and your standards should be genuine, if you are negging to ''demonstrate value''

this creates the assumption that you don't already believe that the girl is attracted and have to ''build attraction'' when naturally the assumption should already be there that she is attracted, and you should just be screening for your actual standards

instead of focusing on how to ''dis-qualify'' a girl, in order to gain a reaction, why not focus on your actual standards and be authentic?

the ''social value'' you project will be relative to the frame you are congruent with

you might be disappointed when a girl gets insecure and blows you out for negging her in order to get a specific reaction, when you could have just qualified her to your actual standards and just had the assumption that you were good enough to begin with, and if she didn't meet your standards, oh well, on to the next one

negging is not necessary at all, unless it is authentic and falls under the proper frame

trying to get a girl you don't actually have chemistry with to start reacting to you is a futile fight, maybe you can even sleep with her using routines and advanced tactics revolving around manipulation, but what sort of routines do you have thought out to maintain a marriage or to keep a girl for that matter?

if it isn't congruent how long can you maintain the charade?

if you truly value yourself, your true intentions and self will always be transparent through the frame you congruently project, no one can maintain an act forever

it would be interesting to see why you think this ^ is necessary, if you see value in yourself relative to the person you are approaching