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Author:  zqawsxedcrfvtbgynhuj [ Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:35 pm ]
Post subject:  High School is Different.
I've been doing a lot of thinking about this lately, and I'm kind of curious

How many people here are from High School? How many started PU in HS? How many think high schoolers shouldn't be wasting their time?

I think PU is great, but it is entirely different from HS-PU. The very basics are of course the same, but where you build your game from there differs greatly. High School has been called a society of it's own, with it's own social rules, and standings. It only makes sense that lifestyles of Adults and High Schoolers are completely different, which leads me into my next point.

I believe that a High School sub-forum would be greatly beneficial to many of this forum's patrons, and this post is the chance to prove it.

So, if you also would be interested in a High School sub-forum, post and vote here. If this post fails, then this is the last I'll say about it :roll:.

The poll is pretty basic, so share your thoughts, and ideas below. Mods and Admins, your input is especially welcome.
Author:  thugnificent [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:27 am ]
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I wouldn't mind it. After all eventually we're gonna have to approach girls sooner or later why not be prepared?
Author:  xxIcexx [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:29 am ]
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i could care less, i wont be in it, but it would be good for people in high school
Author:  Soma [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:32 am ]
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Even though I will be leaving to college next year, I agree that a High School sub-forum is a good idea because while not harder, high school game is different and deserves its own section. Good idea lucid!
Author:  zqawsxedcrfvtbgynhuj [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:39 am ]
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Thanks Soma, I apprecieate the feedback :-)

I figured that most people would care less, as it isn't applicable to them. However I do believe that adding a High School forum would help to cut a lot of situational stuff from the lounge, and also give High Schoolers a proper place to ask their questions and chat rather than have to post "High School" as the topic to all their posts.

I'll actually be graduating in a couple days (December 21 baby. Long story behind the mid-year graduation. And it's early, not late.), but I still feel that it would really help out a lot of kids.

There is one person who voted No. Don't be scared to share your reasoning, I'm just curious.

It's really up to the Site Admins (and mods maybe?) though. I'd be interesting to see what they think.
Author:  Rye Lee [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:55 am ]
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I'm the second to vote no, don't know who the first was. Personally, I figure that if a sub forum is created, then that's where the high school people will hang out and stop picking up stuff from people that have seen more and learned more, so it might end up hurting your game.

I totally agree that there are differences and they need to be addressed, but there's also differences between your neighbourhood pub, a nightclub, a mall, or any other place that you might sarge. They all have their quirks, but they don't all deserve their own sections, because there are common elements.

I'd recommend picking up Blues' HS Bible download in the PMZ section if you are looking for some great pointers on running game in highschool and you'll see that the psychology behind it all stays the same and if you can wrap your head around the psychology of it, you can use your game in any setting and won't need to have different modes depending on whether you are in HS, or college, or on the job, or out on the town.
Author:  zqawsxedcrfvtbgynhuj [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:53 pm ]
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Rye Lee,

Good point on it possibly becoming an exclusive hang out, that was probally the biggest flaw I saw with the idea originally. However, if it is kept to PUA chat only, I'm sure that this would be avoided by those truly interested in advancing their game.

There are differences between your neighbourhood pub, a nightclub, and a mall, and like you said, they don't deserve their own sections. My reasoning behind a HS section was based on the Age Group of the Women, not the location. I personally feel (and this could change as I progrress through) that there are three major age groups. High School, College, and Post-College. The entirety of this forum is largely focused on the College, and Post-College aspects, as they are extrodinarly similar to one another. However High School sarging is quite different. Which is why a HS section would be of benefit.

You mentined some PMZ material, which I actually figured would come up at some point, so here's my thoughts on that.

High school kids are going to be new to the game, just because of their age. Finding a mPUA in high school would be near impossible, just because even a natural hasn't had the biological time to develop his game. Because of that, most of these kids will need very basic help. So being invited to join the PMZ due to post content would be very rare.

Along the same lines, high school kids are under 18 years old, and therefore can't use SPAM to join the PMZ. I don't know about others, but if I asked my parents " Hey, I need $40 to join the private section of a forum based around picking up girls" the answer would be hell no, you're grounded.

This means that the PMZ is out of the question for most of us High School kids, which is actually WHY I suggested a High School sub-forum. It could bring some of the benefits of the PMZ to those of us who are incapable of joining the PMZ. Once out of highschool, the "sub-forum" would actually be the PMZ, which from my understanding is a HUGE database of information.
Author:  Roads [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:31 pm ]
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Long ago, I was a mod in another forum, and we had this same issue regarding fracturing the population on the boards.

I'll vote to do the same here as I did before: No.

It is my belief that the fewer subcategories there are, the better it will be for everyone. This isn't high school, there are no cliques or sets---at least there shouldn't be. The only thing that is important is that everyone gets to express themselves, and everyone gets heard. Breaking the forum down even further and imposing an unspoken age limit to a particular subsection would be detrimental towards this end.

Besides, I know you love hearing about my exploits too much anyway.
Author:  Rye Lee [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:16 pm ]
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I like how Roads put it. Honestly, I've been so busy lately that I've been neglecting most of the subsections and only making it into the PUA Lounge, the Newbie Section and the PMZ General Chat. I can't handle all the sections there are already and I don't think I would have the ability to be helping the HS kids if they were to make their own subsection, because it would be so focussed on the intricacies that I don't remember from when I was in HS.

Having it in the chat would be great, but again, that's a PMZ tool and you'd have to become part of the PMZ for that. As far as not being able to get the money to get into the PMZ, I was pretty sure that you can use SPAM with a bank card, or credit card, so if you have a bank account, then you can pay to get in without the parents. If not, then you might just have to use whatever social skills you have to sweet talk your parents into letting you use their card to pay for something and make it not sound bad, because there IS nothing bad about wanting to be better at social interactions.

I understand what you mean about the age group stuff, but to be perfectly honest, I can attract any girl from any age group using the material I have, just because it isn't about age, it's about psychology and what makes women attracted to men. It's about social interaction, which is bigger than age. As I've mentioned on her before, I grew up hanging out with my parent's friends at parties and baseball games and other events, from the time I was 7 or 8 and whenever I'm back home I still hang out with them. They are all about 25-30 years older than me, but they had accepted me by the time I was 9, because I demonstrated that I had the maturity to carry on a logical conversation and wouldn't just act silly and immature. That will work on any age group as long as they don't think you think you are smarter than them because you can be mature.
Author:  zqawsxedcrfvtbgynhuj [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:31 pm ]
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Fair enough. Roads, you put it beatuifuly, and I won't argue with that logic.

Rye Lee, I'm not sure if you are aware or not, but when you're under 18, you can't legally own any real property. All your property is actually your parents. If you have a job, technically, the money you make is your parents (or guardians). And you can't open a seperate bank account untill you are 18. So any minor who has a bank account is acutally a sub-account on their parent's account.

And my parents are an entirely different story... My dad's a Muslim, so any interactin between unmarried men and women is pretty much taboo, and my mom goes along with whatever he says. Needless to say, they haven't liked me too much since I found PUA, but on the same note they actually caused me to be such an AFC, which made me look and actually find PU. However, PU has made me happier with my life in general, so I personally feel that the distain my parents show me is worth the trade off in the long run, as I am much happier. But that's a story for another day (possibly in a HS forum [ :P joking ])

Anywho, as a last note, I want it clear that I am not complaining about anything with this thread. I made it merely based on an idea. And with all ideas, outside perspective is most helpful. Although I still feel it could be of benefit, I can also see where others who oppose the idea are coming from.
Author:  Rye Lee [ Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:24 am ]
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Fair enough. Roads, you put it beatuifuly, and I won't argue with that logic.

Rye Lee, I'm not sure if you are aware or not, but when you're under 18, you can't legally own any real property. All your property is actually your parents. If you have a job, technically, the money you make is your parents (or guardians). And you can't open a seperate bank account untill you are 18. So any minor who has a bank account is acutally a sub-account on their parent's account.

And my parents are an entirely different story... My dad's a Muslim, so any interactin between unmarried men and women is pretty much taboo, and my mom goes along with whatever he says. Needless to say, they haven't liked me too much since I found PUA, but on the same note they actually caused me to be such an AFC, which made me look and actually find PU. However, PU has made me happier with my life in general, so I personally feel that the distain my parents show me is worth the trade off in the long run, as I am much happier. But that's a story for another day (possibly in a HS forum [ :P joking ])

Anywho, as a last note, I want it clear that I am not complaining about anything with this thread. I made it merely based on an idea. And with all ideas, outside perspective is most helpful. Although I still feel it could be of benefit, I can also see where others who oppose the idea are coming from.
Wow, America is a shitty place to live then. I had my own bank account, without my parents being able to touch a single cent in it, since I was 12. It would have been completely illegal for them to take any of my paycheques too. Apparently the states have some ridiculous property laws and I guess you guys are screwed. For anyone living in a civilized country, read my above advice.
Author:  zqawsxedcrfvtbgynhuj [ Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:20 am ]
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Haha, well it does suck, but it hasn't always been like this. I think something happened relatively recently that caused a change in the laws.


So now, unless you are an emancipated minor, you can't own any property if you are under the age of 18. Any checks that are made out to a minor can be cashed by their parent/guardian without the concent of the minor, because technicaly, it is "their" money. Any titles, deeds, etc. that are in your name are also in the sole posession of your parents/guardians untill you reach the age of majority ( 18 ). At which point you suddenly are able to think rationally, but you still can't consume alcohol......


yeah, our laws are fucked up
Author:  Rye Lee [ Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:32 am ]
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Haha, well it does suck, but it hasn't always been like this. I think something happened relatively recently that caused a change in the laws.


So now, unless you are an emancipated minor, you can't own any property if you are under the age of 18. Any checks that are made out to a minor can be cashed by their parent/guardian without the concent of the minor, because technicaly, it is "their" money. Any titles, deeds, etc. that are in your name are also in the sole posession of your parents/guardians untill you reach the age of majority ( 18 ). At which point you suddenly are able to think rationally, but you still can't consume alcohol......


yeah, our laws are fucked up
Are you sure that it isn't just your state if it is linked to the age of majority? I'm sure other people on here said something about the age of majority being 16 down there. I know that's what it is up here, but for a few years they made it 14, although as far as I'm aware it has no impact on property ownership.
Author:  The Eagle [ Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:45 am ]
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I would agree a High School section could help organize all the high school stuff for people like me into one area, it certainly won't stop me from heading out to other sections.
Author:  zqawsxedcrfvtbgynhuj [ Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:41 pm ]
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Naw, you're thinking the age of consent, which is regulated by the states, and tells you when you can and can't have sex with people.

The age of majority is federally regulated, and tells you when you can vote, own property, and be tried as an adult no matter the circumstances.




Anywho, back on topic, I think The Eagle hit the spot with what I was thinking. But now that I look at the main page, I would deffinitly agree, this forum has way to many sections. I honestly have no idea how you would condense it all though.
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