Take this new deep thinking and look at WHY methods or canned lines work and infuse these deep-rooted micro-societial truths into your daily life. As complicated as it may sound, its really not. If one is to grow as a man, there must be an end to this superficial aspect of one's life.

It is much better to shine with your unique characterisitics than it is to cloak behind this super-imposed persona. In the end, it is your genuine personality that will make you who you are, not how many women you've slept with, or any other accomplishment. A measure of a man is in his honesty, integrity, and character. Always remember that.

Essentially an alpha male is himself - he doesn't care what other thinks of him. Moreover he is internally validated so he doesn't need to change himself entirely to get approval from others. He changes in order to become a better man and in this way he changes for himself.

If you throw away your personality to please other people you are big time beta/AFC because throwing away your personality comes from a wish to get approval.

Methuselah wrote: There are many characteristics of an alpha man right here. If you let external things like how many women you have slept with define you then you are not alpha. If you don't display your thoughts (aren't honest when it comes to what you want/feel/etc.) then you are not alpha. If you don't know where you stand regarding various things (a lack of character) then you are not alpha.

It is only by being your genuine (best) self that you can be alpha.

Anyways just my two cents.

You keep telling us that not everyone is cut out to be an alpha and I agree with that, some people just don't have the spine and you can't give them one, they need to grow it themselves. You keep telling us that you don't have to be the "king of the mountain" or "the top dog" though and that has very little to do with being alpha as far as I'm concerned.

In my own social circle, sure I'm the "top dog", I'm the "king of the mountain" and people know that I set the laws of the land, but that's because I run the household and I'm the one that does all the administrative work, so that makes me the man on top. If I wasn't the one that did all that stuff, I could still be the alpha of the group though.

You say that you can stay below the radar and achieve success and power, but that doesn't mean you can't be alpha under the radar. That's one of my favorite tactics as far as AMOGing goes. You come into sets under the radar as some friendly guy interested in getting to know some people and you buddy up to the guys in the group. You talk to them, with the occassional word to the girls of the set and you can show that you're the alpha, without the guys even realising that they have been blown out (that's under the radar alpha attitude).

You think to black and white for my taste Meth. You make some good points about being deep and thinking about what you're trying to achieve and not becoming some canned persona, which is great, but if you spent much time reading what's being said around here, you would see that aside from people just getting into things, the vast majority of stuff on this forum is orginal, uncanned lines and generally its the underlying psychology and theories, so that people can replicate the results themselves in multiple situations.

My challenge to you: Find me a time when Tripp, Starbuck, Doc, and myself have told someone to use canned material. If that's too hard, then just find me 3 times that I have told someone to use canned material, it won't happen. You can't judge the entire forum based upon what people that are just getting into the game are using, because its training wheels man. Next you're gonna tell me you go around your neighbourhood taking the training wheels off of all the kids bikes and trashing their tricycles, just because they aren't riding properly.

Wow, Meth, nice job! You finally get what we've been saying! Cool. Glad to see that.

There are many characteristics of an alpha man right here. If you let external things like how many women you have slept with define you then you are not alpha. If you don't display your thoughts (aren't honest when it comes to what you want/feel/etc.) then you are not alpha. If you don't know where you stand regarding various things (a lack of character) then you are not alpha.

I honestly beleive that instead of just knowing, you should know not only the why, but the how of what you know.

Well, I offer solutions but like you said, I think that most of the answers and truths in life are best learned when the person seeking improvment and/or answers comes to them from their own thoughts. It's much easier to aqcuire all this knowledge if it is being handed to you, but are you truely learning like that? Sort of. However, like I said I prefer stimulating thought rather than saying "do this" because it works. Both methods of learning will obviously teach you something, but I honestly beleive that instead of just knowing, you should know not only the why, but the how of what you know. And the best way to do this is to arrive at the conclusion from your own deep-thinking.

That's exactly what we keep saying, as mods and teachers. And in order to get people to that point, we realize that those people usually need canned lines and routines to start with, as with the training wheels.

Hence the NEED for the different systems. It gives people something to work with. Until they do understand the phsychology underneath.

That's why I, for one, don't understand why people have such a problem with others starting out with canned lines and routines. They just need a place to start.

BTW, a warning of what? Meth, you said you're giving a warning to the community, but why?

I'm just struggling to understand why you always sound as if there's bad things on the horizon, when all I see is clear skies and lots of potential.

Recently, I have begun to notice an unintended side effect of most peoples' progression to become a PUA. This side effect comes about by people taking methods and/or canned lines to be a doctrine of how to be sucsessful with women and/or social situations. What is the side effect? Loosing yourself to a certain canned, structured facade of a "cool" personality that everyone likes.

Nowhere in there am I saying "DONT USE CANNED LINES", what I'm saying is that to truly and effectively progress as a man, you have to transcend following some gurus method.

The warning? The warning is to people who develop these entirely false avatars stretching themselves to be something they are not just to fit a certain methods standards and/or advice.