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Author:  Methuselah [ Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:31 pm ]
Post subject:  The Tao of Formless Flirting and Fucking
It's 11:52 a.m. I'm a writer/blogger, or supposed to be something of the sort. Recently, I've had some serious writers block, especially when it comes to writing about PU.

So what the fuck am I babbling about? And what the fuck kind of title is "The Tao of Formless Flirting and Fucking"?

Well, shut up and listen.

I'm 21 years young, I've seen and done some crazy shit in my short stay here on the planet, more than most at this age. I won't go into some rant about how many women I've slept with or how many times and different types I've slept with because thats irrelevant. For this threads sake, accept the fact that it's alot, more than most.

The Tao. If one had to define the Tao, in one thought, what would it be?

The way of the universe?

What is the universe? The universe is everything and nothing at once. All and none, but not one.

Today's seduction community and most of the men/women involved are still looking at seduction as a structured routine or method to get you to the goal. Even after the VH1 PUA catastrophe (I saw catastrophe not because of the communities exposure, but the pathetic attempt at making entertaining television and the douchey way it was shown). I remember reading posts about people whining like it was the end of the world that The Cube couldn't be used anymore, and that the community was going to be exposed to the point where this stuff wouldn't work. Then everyone was talking about how they were going to "drop routines" and go natural. The thing is, I haven't seen more than a handful of guys do so. Dropping routines means to stop giving a fuck about and guru's "method". PU is no longer about routines and methods. Those who are really progressing, should transcend that. Be all, be none, but do not be one. Guy's always ask me, "Meth, what books have you read and what do you recommend?" But I can't recommend any, because I've never read them.

The idea is not to be some rigid zealot who follow the command of his seduction officer. This is not training, its self-improvement. Self-improvement means self-awareness and a conscious desire to change oneself.

Once you understand the basics of PU theory, drop all the methods. Literally, DROP them. You will not progress if you have not. I ran into a group of PUAs the other night, a very cocky bunch. They had quite a few girls around them all, I was chatting with all the guys and could overhear them all running routines and saying shit I've heard on forums and by other guys. I was disgusted. I felt like I was in the middle of a big fake-fucking interaction. The girls were very interested, but once I started talking I took the attention from 4 different seperate conversations and brought them to me, without even trying. While they were sitting there running this rigid structure through their brains, I was relaxed and unconsciously socializing with other humans. What is the difference? Someone one that interaction looks try-hard, and it wasn't me, it was all of them. Women realize things like this, for the most part they get feelings or vibes from people before they truly even know the person. What is the problem with try-hard's? They run against the flow of the Tao, they are working to manipulate nature (the universe) and therefore moving against it. What did I do that was so special? Absolutely nothing. I was being a social chameleon, one of the most important things to be able to do, but also one of the easiest. A social chameleon is one who can blend in seamlessly with any type of people. How do you do it? Become educated in human cultures and the types of people, we all aren't that different. Thats the thing with PU these days, its always categorizing people into different classes and groups, when really we are all the same. Realize this fact, and use it.

Peace.
Author:  Gammbit [ Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:41 pm ]
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i cant belive no one has congratulated u on this post..

it should be the core of wot a pua is.. pratise naturalism..

i mean i use the odd opener to get me started but afta 20 second i use my own wit to carry on the flow..

in 5 months i have read the game and that is it.. i have glanced at blogs to give me advise because with girls i was clueless.. i think while a very basic structure should be created to help once AFCs (like myself) most of the material that use to keep urself goin in a convo should be your own..

i dont belive in canned lines unless there your own but before i reasort to them i try and find something to say that can naturally apire in my head. but meth naturalism is very hard to use if u havnt got a clue wot to say in the first place.

while i wholy agree with wot u say i must stick up for those who came on here in the first place to learn how to get women.. some guys here have tried to be natural for 20+ years and are still virgins.

wot im trying to say is that u need to learn a basic structure for convosations and pick-up. but social robots dont deserve to be called puas. as they are not artists in sociaty cause they bite other peoples game...

i hope i am making sence and not chattin bubbles.
Author:  Muse [ Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Tao of Formless Flirting and Fucking
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I was being a social chameleon, one of the most important things to be able to do, but also one of the easiest. A social chameleon is one who can blend in seamlessly with any type of people. How do you do it? Become educated in human cultures and the types of people, we all aren't that different. Thats the thing with PU these days, its always categorizing people into different classes and groups, when really we are all the same. Realize this fact, and use it.

Peace.
Your whole post is excellent but this last section is just brilliant! I believe that the canned material (that isn't of your own creation) is just as you said, a big fake-fucking interaction. It sounds like you've really gotten to the heart of all this, the internalization that brings about the ability to drop the lines, the routines, etc. Congrats!

I do think the routines and openers and things are a great jumping off point for the newbies. From there, if they've got what it takes, they will soon be using their own material, and not long after they will be going improv the whole time.

~Muse
Author:  fortunehooks [ Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:07 pm ]
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Hell, I love this post. I concur that being socially adaptable is the best way to go and also add some routines on the side if there is an opening needed.
Author:  Methuselah [ Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:37 pm ]
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Thanks for the responses.

Yes, I'm not totally against routines, I personally have never used them. But they are a great starting point for anyone who needs to get themselves into the mixxx and have no idea where to start. The idea is to understand WHY they work, then just intertwine your personality and discussions with the same psychological theory.
Author:  Archangel White Rose [ Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:52 pm ]
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Meth, my man, this belongs in the mPUA forum, not this one. YOur going way advanced for most. You are transcending mere PU and going into how to become "the natural who's better than naturals".
In other words, this is brilliant.
Author:  L.A. Tripp [ Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Tao of Formless Flirting and Fucking
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I ran into a group of PUAs the other night, a very cocky bunch. They had quite a few girls around them all, I was chatting with all the guys and could overhear them all running routines and saying shit I've heard on forums and by other guys. I was disgusted. I felt like I was in the middle of a big fake-fucking interaction. The girls were very interested, but once I started talking I took the attention from 4 different seperate conversations and brought them to me, without even trying. While they were sitting there running this rigid structure through their brains, I was relaxed and unconsciously socializing with other humans. What is the difference? Someone one that interaction looks try-hard, and it wasn't me, it was all of them.
I don't doubt that you were disgusted man, just as you have been tired of the noobs on this forum, but the problem with that night is that you really don't know where those guys are at in their game. Maybe they are to the point where they should drop the routines, but MAYBE they have just gotten to the point that those particulars routines were working for them. You just don't know. If, in fact, they were just being social robots, that's another story, but do you really know? Not unless you know those guys personally.

Not all of us are naturals man, you have to understand that. 99% of the guys in here seriously need MAJOR help.
Author:  BlackBull [ Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:05 pm ]
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I've been thinking the same thing Meth.

In order to reach that next level, you need to create your own style.

Drop the canned material, learned techniques, and the easy way out.

Find the essence, the tao. Only then can you truly harness the power of, not pick up,but SEDUCTION itself.

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Not all of us are naturals man, you have to understand that. 99% of the guys in here seriously need MAJOR help.
..They do.

..Yet 99% of that 99% dont even put in their part, and want everything spoon-fed to them.

They think that, by memorizing some method another guru has creater, all of their problems in life will be solved.

...No.

Meth may be a natural, but dude, that makes no difference. We, as men, are all the same. We have what Meth has, and Meth has what we have.

The difference is worldview and where you come from. Some guys failed to learn how to attract women. Some might be naturals, but come from fucked up families. Some naturals happen to luck out and learn how to seduce women. Many guys haven't a clue how to say hi.

It's not that we dont know, it's that we need to draw it out.

Think of it this way: ALL of us can become masters of a martial art. ALL of us can have physical advantages. Some discover it early, some later, some never at all. (In those cases, it is the individual's fault, not life).

Unfortunately, some of us have to work 10000x harder than another. That's ok.

For example, I can be a natural, and fuck women on the regular, but I could never do quantum physics for shit. Another kid might be able to do quantum physics, but cant even say hi to a girl. Still another kid can do both, but is confined to a wheelchair for life at 18.

...We are all naturals. The only difference between us is the length of time it will take to reach that point. Meth found it early. I'm in the middle of finding it. Mystery spent his early twenties field testing. Tucker Max was born alpha. Some guy I knew at my gym didnt go on his first date until 28!

It will happen. Just give it time. The mere fact that you're improving ensures you'll become a natural in due time.
Author:  Methuselah [ Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:12 pm ]
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I'm not asking anyone to all the sudden just up and become a natural in the blink of an eye. I'm telling people that by thinking that using routines to force interactions in your life, though initally may be necessary, is lame as fuck beyond a certain point. What BB says is true. I'm nothing special, there is no difference in between when I can do or what anyone else can do. The only roadblocks you face are in your mind.
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