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| Author: | Sebastion [ Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | The target was throwing herself at me then denied me???????? |
Brethren, I went to this haunted house thing for Halloween with a ton of friends. Then we had tables reserved at a bar. So we roll in the bar in numbers like we own the place with more women then guys! We were decked out in costumes etc. Everyone must have thought who the hell are these people they are having so much fun. So I had a date/friend with me (very attractive). While dancing and walking around the bar I would turn over the shoulder and flirt with all kinds of girls then go to my date so all the girls thought I was taken. Then when my date wanted to go home...I was walking her outside to catch a cab and I turned to one of the hottest girls in the bar that I flirted with briefly 30 minutes earlier and said, " when I come back this place is going to be freaking nuts". She just smiled and kinda giggled. I then put my arm around my hot date and walked her out so of course the other girl had to see this(to add jealousy factory). I caught a cab for my pivot/date/friend. When I came back I walked right passed the hot girl danced with my friends and their girls. Then 2 minutes later I started dancing with the hot girl but not forcefully...kinda like "here I am Im not sure I wanna dance with you, but I am sure that I am the fucken MAN". She ate it up like crazy!!! She practically threw herself at me on the dance floor. We dirty danced for quite a long time. I could tell she was having a blast because she was laughing and smiling etc...from my little tricks and teases with her. Thats when I got the absolute strongest vibe. She was tired so we went to the bar...I asked her what she got into tonight and did a little small talk. Then I was like hey I gotta give my friends some attention I will be back in a little bit. Text book...at least I thought! I went over with friends acted like I was the man of the group, danced/put my arm around everyone etc. I went back to dance with this girl and her friend out of nowhere kissed me on the cheek. I thought this is too good to be true...no cock blocking friend...plus it looked like her friend was with her boy friend. So I danced with her a little bit longer and then dropped the question. "My friends are bouncing to another bar, why dont you come?". She just shook her head. I then said, "ok cool..you wanna go sit down and talk". She shook her head again. I changed the subject...talked about some other shit for a while...danced. Then said, "I wish I could hang out with you tonight". She shook her head no. like not my place & not your place...no fucken way. The biggest regret of the night is not asking her WHY??? That is what I need you for. Should I have tried to kiss her dancing before I invited her to my place and asked to hang out later??? Please point out all my errors. This is one of the first nights in a long time I fealt like a cool guy. Usually I am good at just fucking things up right off the bat...but I thought I did a good job tonight. Oh well, thanks for your support. FYI: I was really interested in this girl, I didnt want to just have a hook up with her....Def girl friend material. |
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| Author: | OneDre [ Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:24 pm ] |
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Well dog, you did actually a good job. I can see, the jealosy factor, that also DHVd you and I can see a lil FTC. Maybe the thing is, that the Dancefloor is, as also Mystery says in the VAH, a trap. Maybe she was just like going out and having some fun on the dancefloor. But just dance and having fun. I don't exactly know, if you'd build enough comfort, as you tried to isolate her. It is difficult to do so on the dancefloor. Good thing is, that you wish to learn from your mistakes. Hope I helped you in any way. |
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| Author: | The Doctor [ Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:37 pm ] |
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When you left her from the bar... you were already into the comfort building level. Being uninterested etc... if part of the attraction phase, when you left during the comfort phase it was a huge DLV (in the comfort phase you need to build rappore' and trust), and then when you came back you must have already sensed something bad was going on, because you went from Alpha to AFC with the way you worded your questions, you gave her all the power, and in the unsure state she was because of the trust issue, she decided to throw it all in your face. It happens to the best of us man, use this as a learning experience and improve next time. |
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| Author: | Sebastion [ Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:46 am ] |
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Thanks this is some great feed back guys! The Doctor: You said "with the way you worded your questions, you gave her all the power" Could someone please give me an example of a way that I should have re-worded my questions? Maybe even a different strategy should have been involved. What are your thoughts? |
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| Author: | Carlos [ Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The target was throwing herself at me then denied me???? |
Quote: "My friends are bouncing to another bar, why dont you come?".
All these questions give her the chance of saying no. First rule of selling: ask them yes or yes questions. Instead of "do you want to buy this," it's "do you want a 5, 10, or 15 piece set/do you want an extended warranty on this purchase?""ok cool..you wanna go sit down and talk". I wish I could hang out with you tonight". So here are some rephrasing ideas. Quote: "My friends are bouncing to another bar, why dont you come?".
We're going to another bar, let's go. OR My friends are bouncing to another bar... I GUESS you can tag along(dave deangelo: act as if she just pleaded to come with, and answer accordingly) OR We're heading out to another bar. Do you want to grab a bite to eat first, or just go straight there? OR We're heading out to another bar. Now you and I are either grabbing a bite to eat first, or going straight there with my buddies. I'm feeling generous, you decide. (these last two options are my own invention... the yes or yes questions. if an actual PUA can tell me whether this is good thinking or not, it would be much appreciated) Quote: "ok cool..you wanna go sit down and talk".
"Come here, I'm going to show you something" (lead her by the hand, lock in, and bust out the cube or some canned routine you've got, DHV stuff)Or just take her hand and lead her over. (source: The game, MM) Quote: I wish I could hang out with you tonight".
Such an AFC thing to say. You're saying to her "YOU are in control. I'M not where the party is anymore. it's YOU." You always want the frame to be that where YOU are is THE most entertaining spot in the club, because you are there, and make it so with your presence. Telling her "I wish I could hang out with you tonight," you just gave her control of the entire frame. I've no idea for how to rephrase this... Just don't say it. (source: MM)
Quote: FYI: I was really interested in this girl, I didnt want to just have a hook up with her....Def girl friend material.
One-itis... go fuck 10 other girls.
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