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Author:  nashnewbie [ Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:11 am ]
Post subject:  FR: Bar hopping, opening sets and sticking points.
NOTE: This is cross-posted to the Nashville Lair group.

I went out with redunit88 and his friend tonight. The night was a success for me
personally in that I finally began to approach and realized it really isn't that
difficult. redunit88 was a great wing and could certainly keep a sets interest
once they were opened. He's definitely going to go far with this. I also watched
him open a few girls solo and do well. Body language is definitely something I
need to keep my mind on... not instinctively putting my hands in my pockets is a
big one here.

My sticking point of the night was keeping the conversation going after the
opener. Opening was the easy part, keeping the interest was difficult.

I've done a run down of a few of the sets from tonight below. I apologize for
the long post... It flows poorly but I'm too tired (it's 4am) to really edit
this thing, I'd much rather post everything while it's fresh in my mind.


Set one:
Approached with the "Hey do you have any tattoos? I'm thinking of getting my
first blah blah blah." The conversation started well and their interest was
there, redunit88 joined me and we each 'gamed' our targets.

redunit88 was great at keeping his targets interest and the conversation
flowing, he whispered in my ear at one point to 'talk about anything except work
and school'.

I had a major problem keeping the conversation flowing even while I had my
target's interest. The opener worked well because she had a large tattoo across
her back so we were able to talk about that. As we were, I attempted some kino
and she did not mind... She began to run her hands up and down the spine of my
back where I told her I was going to get my tattoo. Unfortunately, I was at a
loss for words and I ejected from the set as the conversation stalled.

This was a failure on my part and a reoccurring sticking point which I will have
to work on - the conversation must flow and interest must continue. The target
attempted to re-start the convo but was just as boring.

redunit88 told me after the set that the girl I was talking to was engaged. I
never seem to look for the ring; and it didn't seem to matter anyway.

Set two:
Met one of redunit88's friends who has no problem with conversation and openers.
He opened a two set with the question "Hey my buddy here just broke up with his
girlfriend and she texted him she still wants to remain friends, what do you
think?"

I said to the girl "what did he just tell you?" and she laughed "he said you
want to hook up with my friend, is that true?" I said "yes and winked at her
friend." They both smiled but I wasn't sure how to escalate from here.
redunit88's friend ejected at this point too, the girls did end up standing
around for a little (I assume they wanted us to resume the conversation).

Set three:
Redunit's friend ended up running into his old girlfriend and her friend. He
talked to her for a bit so I opened her friend with the same tattoo opener.
Turns out she also has a tattoo and when I asked her "No no no it's not a tramp
stamp" so we did some fluff talk, etc etc. Again, my sticking point remains -
continuing the conversation, keeping it interesting, etc etc.

The reoccurring theme here is that it's pretty easy to open with just about
anything, it's keeping the conversation fresh and interesting I'm having an
issue with.

We ran into the girls later in the night too but the one I was talking to ended
up getting hammered so there wasn't too much conversation I could continue to
have.


Set four:
Two very attractive women were standing against the wall outside of a bar.
Everyone was noticing them... Since redunit88 and his friend had been talking to
quite a few sets I told them I would open but I would need help.

I approached with the tattoo opener and the girls smiled and kind of laughed and
asked 'why?' I just began to tell them about my first tattoo blah blah blah and
we made some fluff talk, one of the girls was receptive and we had some fluff
talk.

Redunit88 and his friend came in and at this point I think the girls may have
realized we opened to hit on them. Redunit88's friend had a funny text from
'Melissa' which he actually sent to himself. I can't remember what it was but it
was pretty damn funny, I think 'Melissa' was asking to have an orgy or something
like that.

The girl on the left just said 'yeah funny' and started to look at her phone.
redunit88 then asked the girl on the right what was with her nails as one of her
fingers had a different color nail polish. The girl on the left responded with
'we're in a gang, the crypts.' We all responded with 'we're in the bloods.'

At this point they both began to look at their phones and the set was over. I
got a kick out of the entire situation and thought the 'she's in a gang' comment
was pretty damn funny.

Also during the set, some drunk Mexican came by and hollered 'damn girls mmmm
mmmm' . One thing I noticed, which I will address in this post later, is that
the competition really can be questionable.


There were a few other sets throughout the evening, none too notable. The first
set of the night I opened at McFaddens by walking past, turning around and using
the tattoo opener. The girl responded by pulling down her pants and her shirt up
to show me a tattoo 'she designed.' She began to dance and I didn't know quite
how to respond to this... at the same time redunit88 came and began to talk to
the other girl who was with her and all the girls began to booty dance. It was
awkward and we ejected.

The problem with these sets is it's hard to open in loud bars and by the time
you get the opener out and a conversation flowing the latest rendition of LET DA
JUICES FLOW comes on and all the girls started booty dancing and shit.



One thing I did realize from watching other people is that I have more going for
myself than I realize. Just looking at dress, demeanor and such... most people
really do not care.

Another thing is that I realized just how creepy some guys can be and it's
obvious why girls do put up 'bitch shields.' I can't imagine any girl being
turned on by some jackass in a rape pack putting up his hands like some sort of
feral animal and saying 'damn girls mmm mmm mmm'. I also witnessed some jackass
start barking at a set of girls who walked by, it's like what the ...?

To sum up the night, I didn't 'succeed' in a k-close, f-close, # etc ... but
that wasn't a goal I had in mind. Where I did succeed was the ability to open up
a set regardless of whether I failed or not.

In the past, my friends would literally scream at me to open and I would refuse
to do so. After tonight, I can't figure out why I never did. Nobody cussed at
me, screamed at me, or even flat out told me to f-off. What I did realize is
that it's much better to approach a set than be one of the groups of guys just
standing around doing nothing.
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