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Author:  thecatfish111 [ Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:44 am ]
Post subject:  Can someone Diagnos this situation for me?

So theres this girl who was a foreign exchange student at my high school last year and I know am going to school in her country(norway) for one year. We've met up just three times. The first time we went out we went to a bar and had great rapport. We could both relate to each other as we went to the same school and I was now experiencing all the ups and downs of being a foreign student just as she did. Later on that evening I used the palm reading routine and was able to k-close and make out with her in a park. Communication was sparse after that. I called/texted two or three times when I was drunk and also ended up canceling meeting up with her last minute another time.

I saw her again about three months later. This time I met at her friends house where she and two of her other good friends were pre-gaming before they went in to the city. I made a great impression on her friends. Had them all laughing and was able to tell stories to capture their attention. We went to a bar where I met another of her friends whom I had a great conversation with and who soon became very attracted to me. At one point I asked her if it was ok if I spent the night at her house and she said it was just fine. We got back to her house and her parents and younger brothers were home. I thought I'd have no chance of going anywhere with her after realizing that but she didnt seem to care and I started making out with her once we were alone in her room. I began to escalate to f-close but she stopped me telling me she had a "kinda half boyfriend" and that she'd feel bad. An obvious LMR but I was to drunk to go any further at the time. The next morning I was able to make out with her and get her shirt off while her parents and brothers ate breakfast downstairs. I tried to go further but she stopped me saying her family would hear us and she was probably right. I spent the rest of the day hanging out with her and her brothers building great rapport with all of her family members. We kissed and held hands through out the day and up until I had to leave. After I left I once again kept communication minimal.

This time I returned to hang out with her it was just after a little less than a month (last friday to be exact). Earlier in the day, I asked if I could spend the night again and she replied "haha yeah you can for sure I'm home alone so that shouldn't be a problem :)" I get to her house that night and its a similar situation as last time, pre-gaming with a few of her friends before hitting the town. And just like last time, I entertain and keep the attention of her friends. At one point though I think I hear something about her having a relationship with some guy and about to get together with him and my ego takes a hit. We go to a Karaoke bar where I meet more of her friends. I end up dancing/grinding a bit with one of her friends who later goes out of her way to tell her what I great dancer I am. I put more attention on her friends than her. We return back to her house and go to sit down in her living room. I put on some music and we sit together on a one person sofa chair. After very brief convo I push her hair back and kiss her cheek. She turns away saying "naw aw awn" in a non-joking tone with a very serious face. My ego takes a huge hit at that point. We go to her room to watch a movie and I make minimal effort with kino. Its very late at that point so I turn the movie off so I go to sleep on a mattres on her floor and she sleeps in her bed. The next morning I find out her parents dont get back till late sunday so I decide to stay until sunday afternoon (its now saturday morning). She leaves for work at 12, comes back at 4. We then lounge around surfing the internet and watching tv. I mainly just converse with her and make minimal attempts at kino. We watch a movie that evening and once its over return to her room. She changes and lies on her bed and I lay on a mattress that is at the foot of her bed. At this point she begins to comment on how shitty it is to sleep on the floor and why I was keeping my jeans on. I took my jeans off and made an excuse to sleep in her bed which she was fine with. I start to spoon with her, kissing and lightly bitting the back of her neck. She tells me in a joking manner "come on control yourself" and remarks that she's to tired. I stop and go to sleep. The next morning I try the same thing and get the same results though this time she doesnt say anything she just doesn't physically respond. She allows me to stay in her bed and spoon with her but wont respond to any kino. After we both get up, we have breakfast, and just talk with each other until the late afternoon when I had to leave. As I leave to get on the train we hug, I try to hold her tight but she lets go quickly like a friend hug.

I have now spend the last three days wondering what went wrong. Why couldnt I even K-close this girl with her parents gone for the weekend when I could almost f-close with her parents and brothers downstairs eating breakfast? This girl is special to me. After the first time I thought I really liked her so I follwed mystery's advice and hooked up with four other girls yet I still though that this girl is special and means a lot to me. I'm asking for people to diagnos my situation and maybe offer where I can go from here. Where did I go wrong? What happened between getting invited to spend the night at her house to getting denied from k-closing? When should I see her next (I will have to see her at some point I have some of her clothes with me that she wants back)? Was it my ego that ruined me? Should I of kino'd and tried to escalate harder? Any interpretation of what I've told you and any kind of advice that people can give to me would mean a lot to me.

Author:  damrini [ Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:41 pm ]
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I'm new to the game, but I'll give you my 2 cent opinion anyway...

First obvious mistake was non counteracting the LMR the first night.
That would have made things more smooth.

On the other night, when you encountered more resistance, you shouldn't have given up. If direct kino was too much, go with stealth kino and escalate. Don't take rejection personally. Just stick to the plan. Look at her reactions. If you sense you're going fast, slow down. It is MUCH better "two step forward - one step back" than giving up.
When she said "aww aww aww" (dont tell me you went for the kiss without kino escalating smoothly) you should have said something like "yeah, you're right, I think we are going too fast with this. Let's just back up and have normal fun. I really dont want to do anything more than that". And then freeze-out for ten minutes or so. She will feel that something weird is going on. Why don't you want her anymore? This will drive her crazy, above all if she was turned on, and start feeling the excitement fading away. Then start again with light kino escalation. You will see clear signals of BEGGING for more contacts and stuff.

Anyway, I can see a couple of pretty clear red flag on her side.
She has "kind of a boyfriend" both times and she clearly is gaming you with shit tests. This would be unacceptable for me and I would change my purpose from a "relationship" to a "one night stand". I dont know why you say this person is special for you. She is totaly NOT a catch.

I really dont think it's healthy to date people like that.
But a good fuck is always welcome.

Author:  thecatfish111 [ Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:03 pm ]
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Thanks man.

Looking back on it I let my damaged ego take control of myself. Im new to the game myself and letting go of my ego is my greatest challenge right now. I know how to Kino, tease, freeze-out, etc but my ego clouded my thoughts and it was like I couldnt remember anything that I had learned. I've decided that Im gonna wait three months until I see her again. I'm gonna work on not letting my ego get in the way of things in the mean while. I think that by giving a lot of time before seeing her again and working on honing in my skills will give me far greater success when I see her next time.

Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:38 pm ]
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Thanks man.

Looking back on it I let my damaged ego take control of myself. Im new to the game myself and letting go of my ego is my greatest challenge right now. I know how to Kino, tease, freeze-out, etc but my ego clouded my thoughts and it was like I couldnt remember anything that I had learned. I've decided that Im gonna wait three months until I see her again. I'm gonna work on not letting my ego get in the way of things in the mean while. I think that by giving a lot of time before seeing her again and working on honing in my skills will give me far greater success when I see her next time.
Good that you saw your mistake(s).

It's REALLY hard to not react and do a freeze out when all you want to do is rip her fucking clothes off. But if you just learn to be patient, and don't think of it as her saying "no" but just "not yet," then you'll be fine.

During the period when you don't contact her, make sure you're gaming other girls. If you do end up seeing her again, you DON'T want to project any neediness.

Author:  thomascrown [ Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:09 pm ]
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Ok 'thecatfish111' I won't directly comment on your gaming as 'damrini' and 'blondguy' have already done a good job but I'll add to it for you and everyone else...

Girls with BF's are problematic, especially if they see they are getting male attention from another guy. Some girls might ignore your attention but some might be bored of there relationship, not enough to break up, so they'll mess around with you.

The main mistake I see you made, was to be too available.. You should have distanced yourself from her and become a prize that she wants. I know this from personal experience myself, it kinda happened to me the other day but I didn't falter, if your interested read my post.

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Girls have choice, they have even more choice if they have a BF, so don't ever give her the choice of being with you or her BF.

eg. don't say 'it's me or him...'

Just be cool, distant, if she on the phone to you say you've got an important call on the other line, tell her you'll call her back and don't. If she texts you ask who it is as if you don't have her number saved. Same goes for if she calls/emails.

You must never ever put yourself in a position where you are seeking physical attention from her. It must be the other way around she must seek it from you otherwise you are too available and in effect a choice..

Good luck, if I were you, if you go back don't tell her your in town.. Let her find out from a friend. If you see her, be cool, calm and ask her how her BF is? Talk to her about him. Then this what I would do if you meet her in a club/bar...

I quote justin bobby (the hills)

You: Is he a nice guy? (about her BF)

Her: Yes

You:Yer?! He pulls the chair out for you, hold the door, and buys you a drink?

Her: Yer he does

You: Wow.. Sounds like a nice guy..

Her: Yer (awkward)

You: Such a nice guy he's not even here! Wish I could have met the old nice chap..

Her: yer.. (you've completely made her BF sound like a nice/boring guy)

You: Sounds like a keeper dude.. (cheeky smile, eyebrow raised)

Make sure you're leaning back in an alpha pose. Sip your drink and look around at other people in the club.

Good luck

TC

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