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| Author: | Boot-it [ Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:59 pm ] |
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Good afternoon everyone, This will be my first post here, and hoepfully first of many. You'll notice that i try not to over exagerate, i tend to stick to what happens and hopefully everyone will enjoy this. This weekend marks the 4th weekend that I started actively opening sets with my new Wingman, Five-O (have been doing it for about a year now, gone through a few wings who are now indisposed for several reasons). Five-O is a great wing, and i would like to give a shout out to him now. Now this weekend, we went out on friday and it went very well, opened a total of 9 sets, had a blast and at the end of the night, ended up with 3 phone numbers. Now this is not the night that i was asked to report. So for further details Five-O could fill you in (Five-O and I opened several classic openers when going out on the field as a 2-pair.) The interesting night was last night. Five-O had one of his previous closes call or text him (let's call her Miss L.), don't really remember, and she informed him of where she would be, with one of her attractive friend. She wanted him to come find her. As per our usual response, Five-O let her know that we would be going out later, but that the night was not yet defined. As for me, I had also contacted Colleagues to meet us in the general region in order to demonstrate HSV. We started out at this small pub, wanted to test out the waters, and try to get Five-O loosened up. He opened 2 sets beautifully and i was confident that last night was going to be good. However we did run into a transition problem, that was clarified soon after. (Five-O believed I was goign to take over set after he opened it, and I thought i would just let him run with it ... no harm done : )) Soon after I Opened this 2 set that turned out to be rather large, I believe they were 7 or 8 girls out for a girls night out. This went really well and we made the night for both them and us. Five-O can describe this part if he believes. Ok, now, after the initial pub, we went to a secondary Venue, had a few chit-chats there but was a rather small stop as Five-O ran into Miss L. After a few discussion we changed Venues with Miss. L. and her friend. Now we were having a good time chatting up a few girls, opened three sets, which went well. but then Five-O got isolated by Miss. L. on second level of the Club, so as a good wing, i followed him to get him out of the dark corner that he was now in (dark corners == very very bad!) when i get up there he was rather involved with his girl, and not wanting to distract them I took a look around. Something I never attempted alone before was to open a classy set of 6 or more when half, or nearly half of them are guys. I quickly saw this great HB 8 in this 7 set. And something I have been repeating for nearly 3 weeks now to Five-O is the 3 seconds rule... small pause, respect to Mystery... So 3, look at her, 2 notice not wearing her shoes, 1 go ... approached from an angle, made sure I didn't suprise her, and my opening which suprised even me was : Would you care to explain why a sane woman would dance barefoot in a club? (obviously i had quite the big smile... ) this took her a back a bit, I then went straight to the dangers of doing such and so on. she made a few comments (high heels are killer on feet, but i really like how they look with this dress) ... this is where I broke the set, As soon as she said this I turned to the guy accross from me and flat out said the following : - See now there is a perfect example of a bad choice for a night out. You went into your closet and chose to wear a buttoned down Black dress shirt because it was ... A) confortable, B) clean and C) within arms reach. - and yet she chose to wear those ... to a club. After this we fluffed conversation a bit with everyone there and then I looked at them and said would you guys mind if I ask her a few questions, It won't take long, i have to get back to my friend whose losing it over there! she looked over my shoulder and laughed a bit ... I played the friends ex game... worked wonderfully ... Now remember Miss. L. she almost ruined the set ... Five-O might want to explain that ... But it turned out fine ... I disarmed Miss. L. quite well ... and when i decided i wanted her number, i leaned over and said well this was a blast, give me a call when you are going out again... and started walking away with Five-O... she grabbed my arm and said ... how am i supposed to do that if i don't have your number ... put a big smile on my face and said .. oh i guess your right .... exchanged numbers and that was that. Thank you all for reading through this extensive post, Now I would be happy to clarify or go into more details on what i did... but basically I have one new rule to add ... as soon as I see anything in particular i use it, improvising is great as she will see it as completly unplanned ... as you are using the unique situation at hand. Anyways, cheers to all - Boot-it |
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| Author: | MiMs277 [ Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:24 pm ] |
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I was having an opening problem last night and my problem is when I'm done with opening I don't know what to do next. So what I want to know is what did you do after you opened? |
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| Author: | Boot-it [ Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:35 pm ] |
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Good day, Well after opening a set in general, it is always good to Disarm whoever is around her, so you have to shift attention away from your mark. This does give you enhanced value as you are now showing her that your only reason of being there is not to give her attention. people may differ on opinion, but as for me, after i opened her, i physically turned myself more towards the table and engaged in small talk with a guy there, complimented his choice of shirt while making small commical remarks (negs if you will) towards my HB. now keep in mind several people will tell you that negs are not always the way to go. But women love to laugh and I always find everything a lot easy if you can get someone to laugh... and negs delivered subtlely with a big smile works like a charm. you mentioned that you didn't know where to go after you opened... this skill will develop over time ... as long as you don't give up. At first I always told myself that when in doubt, as her her opinion on something ... women love to do that, and it gives you the chance to involve the entire table (once she starts talking look over to the table and ask them for their opinion as well (hey guys... want to chime in on this as well!)... preferably while she is in 3/4 sentence... ) the whole table will get going and you can make a few smiling nobs and agreement/disagreement moves. once it looks like it's about to settle down ... you can always use the alright ... ok ok .. you know you have a lot of passion for the subject... interesting. Tell you what, let me try something ... give me your hands ... (by then she should be willing to do this... simple) run a game by her, 5 questions (Five-O is the king of this one), peter-pan trick, mind reading or so on, as long as it keeps her attention for the first time completly on you. After this is done, you can turn around to the table and let them know that you would like to talk to their friend but that you will bring her back shortly and insert false time constraint : i.e. : this has been a blast guys, i have to go save my friend in a few, but before i do that i'm just going to ask your friend a few questions if that's ok with you (the smile here makes the big difference ... don't put a cocky smile on, just put an honest nice smile on) you then isolate her close by, since you don't want her to be unconfortable and you ask a few fluff questions ... and then you subtly turn a bit look over her shoulder and then you look her in the eyes and close it up. The one i used was a bit different because Five-O was right there, so i looked over to him and told her how great this was and that she should give me a call next time they go out since this was a real blast... Another line that i use that works is to take out your phone during the conversation, look down at the time and once she is done with her current sentence just say, look i have to run but this has been a wonderfull conversation, give me your number and we'll do it again some time. don't be agressive but don't say : "if you give me our number" you have to say "give me your number", since if shows slight interest and direction, instead of putting the power back in her court. ok, well this had been a good rambling for me. hope this helps bud. - cheers |
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| Author: | Five-O [ Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:39 pm ] |
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First off, I love the read this field report - so accurate. Thanks for the mentions, Boot-it. Like you said, having a good wingman is the key to success… a good wingman is not necessarily one who gets all the attention from women. He’s one that you click with, and that you both can help out when “dead times” appear when sarging. 1) Don’t ever call a previous close to join you during your sarges. I thought it could help with DHV, but it didn’t (however, she was my back up close if I wasn’t getting any that night! Haha). DHV is acquired when blending with HBs. 2) Starting, I was a bit sceptical about that night – I dressed totally different than the usual. Three buttons open on shirt, Mohawk hair, lots of perfume (D&G Light Blue… girls love it) and a few pieces of jewellery. It worked like a charm!! I was, for some time, the only guy dancing on the tiny dance floor, with the 8 set. And they all took their time to smell me from head to toe – Got to love D&G. 3) How did we open the 8 set? This girl was staring at me with a smile and Boot-it walked up and asked: “why are you starring at my friend?”… then I was in for some major fondling 4) Let me just clarify that, yes, dark corners are bad when sarging (you’d better off be gone from the scene), but if you want to make-out or have a bit of fun with Miss L. that’s where you need to bring her. 5) Smile is important. Cocky smile is even better, if you ask me! 6) Remember one thing guys… if you wing does such a thing (i.e. opens a large set alone), sometimes in the process, you should go in and introduce yourself… just to show that he’s got friends around. I walked up and asked the easiest question… “So, I’ve seen you talking to my friend here, how do you guys know eachother?” Then, obviously, leave set and continue with your thing. And now to try to answer MiMs277’s question… get a “Boot-It” as a wingman, and you’ll never run out of things to say! Haha. I’m a great opener, but I tend to have the same problem as you – I can’t keep the flow for more than 5-10 minutes. As for the three-second rule… I just open without a plan. Having a plan fucks up your thoughts or makes you feel like a recording machine… hence, having issues with continuing the conversation. Say something totally silly to a girl when passing by her, and the rest should come naturally (since you didn’t “plan” to talk to her). I say I use more like a one-second rule! haha Openers are the easiest thing to do... remember that girls are also great "peacockers." Comment on the attire, then find out why they decided on such gear to go out. Girls love to talk about clothes. The way I open sets is the exact same way as Boot-it. I will never talk directly to my mark. I’ll even turn my back to her sometimes. Then after a while, I’ll throw her a neg (see log “The Attention Neg” that I wrote on Oct 06 2010), and then shift my attention towards her… To start, try to have a few “routines” in mind before going out. For example, the opinion on something, games, the ex girlfriend approach, the “I’m new around here,” the five questions (look for Style’s 5 question routine on YouTube), etc. Having a few of these in your repertoire will help a lot. I like how Boot-it puts emphasis on “telling her what to do” instead of asking her. It works like a charm. I actually used it last week to get a paid dinner from this previous number close. Good luck! |
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