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Author:  haudas [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:39 am ]
Post subject:  Approached HB8,need some help.
I will try to explain it the best,but any questions,just ask,im really confused.

SO i approached this set,the was around 4 or 5 chicks in it,not sure right now,they looked at me with a *WTF LOOK*.
I was VERY anxious,and shaking a LOT,eating up words
I used the jealous girlfriend routine,the girls didnt show much interest,my tartget was just answering with yes,no and this kind of things,one other girl,said something else.
i asked "where do you guys know each other? school?"
HB Just said "yes".
after that i asked to talk to her,we walked some steps away from her group.
ME:what do you think of me?
HB: what?
ME:cause i think youre very cute.
HB:youre cute too.
after that i said: you blink a lot,you know that?
she smiled, punched me on the arm,and leaned in a little bit.
SO i pointed a place,and asked if she wants to go there,she looked at her friends,and agreed.
At that point i was very anxious and had NO IDEA what to say,so i came up with the neg of,"do you know 93% of the chicks masturbates on the shower"?
It didnt go very well.
I was trying to make conversation,but she was just answering "yes,no,and etc",never asked me anything,so it was hard to keep the party going,and i was moving my hands like CRAZY haha.
after that a woman that works on school said her to leave,cause she needed to keep focus on class,and the interaction ended.
She was giving me massive IOD.
Just a note:Some time ago my target asked me if would want to meet a friend of hers,but i said no.

any tips are welcome,for example,how could i make her talk? i was feeling like she was almost saying "FUCK OFF" or something like that.
I really need an expert opinion in this
Thank you all.
This is my first approach ever.
Author:  haudas [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:08 pm ]
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NO one?
This is really killing me.
Author:  NJ [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:11 pm ]
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After you isolated her, you could have told her some sort of story preferabally spiked with DHV's, or got her opinion on something, just so you can disagree with her and start to build tension / neg her opinion / DHV with your opinion, put her on her back foot making her work for your approval ect.

Or, what I most likely would have done is, after she said you were cute, qualifying her eg. "So are you a good cook?" "Can you give good massages?" "what have you got going for you other than your looks?" ect. This sets a good frame becuase it shows that u've high value and dont just go for the first pretty face that comes along. it also gives you a chance to playfully neg / false disqualify if she doesn't meet one of your standards.
Author:  haudas [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:26 pm ]
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Thank you for the reply,seems that the guys here didnt like my story :?

But what could have i done?
Anything i asked,she just answered:"yes,no",i was unable to go to anywhere.

would you mind in giving me some examples of how to control the set?

would "what have you got going for you other than your looks?" worked?

and,did how would you rate the interaction? like total crap? should i apporach her again?
i think when she walked with me,she was just being polite.

would be VERY helpful,hope you guys answer
Author:  NJ [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:07 pm ]
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I wouldn’t say that it was a totally crap approach / interaction you need to stop asking closed questions, eliminate the option for her to answer with yes or no, learn some more canned material for when you get stuck for things to say. A good pua should be able to talk for up to 5 minutes straight, story telling ect while getting little or no response! Within that time you should be dhv’ing and spiking her attraction.

If your frame is right and you’ve displayed enough value, "what have you got going for you other than your looks” would definitely work. That’s where your own calibration comes into play.

I’ll pm you come material that that should help
Author:  haudas [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:26 pm ]
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you will PM me?
thanks.
Author:  TheFresh™ [ Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:21 am ]
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Quote:
Thank you for the reply,seems that the guys here didnt like my story :?

But what could have i done?
Anything i asked,she just answered:"yes,no",i was unable to go to anywhere.

would you mind in giving me some examples of how to control the set?

would "what have you got going for you other than your looks?" worked?

and,did how would you rate the interaction? like total crap? should i apporach her again?
i think when she walked with me,she was just being polite.

would be VERY helpful,hope you guys answer
It's hard to give an opinion of your conversation since most communication is in fact nonverbal and conveyed via body-language.

However, if you're asking her a lot of yes-or-no questions, you'll get a lot of yes' and no's. I think it's not a bad idea to just make open-ended, conversational statements while probing for her "hot-buttons" (or specific interests) and not "interrogating" her. Neil Strauss goes into this topic and had Juggler write a specific chapter in his book on all this.

And your interaction wasn't total crap if you learned something. You learn more from failures and setbacks than you do from successes...
Author:  haudas [ Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:30 am ]
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i see.
i will look for juggler then.
Author:  TheFresh™ [ Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:49 am ]
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Quote:
i see.
i will look for juggler then.
Here some links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggler_%2 ... _artist%29

http://www.charismaarts.com/

But read "The Game" by Neil Strauss if you haven't yet. He writes an entire chapter on it and gives a few nice pointers about not just "interrogating" girls, but making broad, open ended statements such as (when next to a painting) for instance:

"I like this painting. It makes me happy, and it makes me hungry! Oooh, maybe I'll just eat you."
Author:  Yovet [ Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:33 pm ]
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IMHO, i think u didnt calibrated the situation right. When she accepted to sit with you that is a massive IOI, she is trusting you enough and willing to spend some time with you alone. If you neg her straight, th hole thing blows in your face. If we put it on MM terms, i think you reached A3, quite fast. Maybe she had seen u before and was already interested on you, and she showed that interest by letting you isolate her. It was time for some A3 routines, u know, bait, hook, reel and release, so she qualifies to you and then u could had moved on to rappor, already C1.

Try to work ur inner game, very important. Also i recomend u to work the fisical DHVs and the delivery. That way ur hole game willrock. There is loads and loads of material arround about every single aspect of the PU arts.

My recommentadions:

Cocky and funny of David DeAngelo

The Venusian Arts: Revelation by Lovedrop

of course

The Mystery Method

and also read lots of material about inner game, body language and female psicology related to PU arts.

Good PUing, never give up, just learn from the rejections and "reset" urself to next set.
Author:  haudas [ Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:16 pm ]
Post subject: 
I appreciate all of you that helped me.
but,maybe she let me isolate her,just because she was being polite,and not really an IOI,she wasnt making conversation either.
i dont really think she was attracted on me,

so,woman walk with a guy just for being polite right?
Author:  Yovet [ Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:43 pm ]
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when u thing she was being polite is the remains of the AFC we all still have inside. Women dont spend time with u just for being polite, the are giving u a chance to prove what u r made of, but if u blow it they will "girl code" ur ass so the friends come to rescue her.

I still give same advise, check material, soecially microcalibration :)
Author:  haudas [ Sat Apr 24, 2010 4:34 am ]
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hahaha man,i really cant believe she was attracted,i was fucking shaking and anxious on the opening,anyway.
You mean materials like this?
http://www.growyourgame.com/articles/so ... libration/
http://sinnsofattraction.blogspot.com/2 ... ation.html
Author:  Yovet [ Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:58 pm ]
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Sure, that is a very good way to explain microalibration, but first center on inner game. No mtter how good u get at microcalibration, if the message u r sending is not congruent with how u act (I.E.: Im a cool guy, but when i aproach a girl i shiver like one) they will notice it and know that u r "trying hard".

For me, i had studied material for about 6 months already, and never putted it on practice untill yesterday. I rocked yesterday, got a HB8 to a full closure, adn tonight we r going to see again. Im not a nice looking guy, im overweight cause an injury i got stopped me from doing any exersice for long time, so i had been centering on inner game, and also im using a bit of Mystery's peackocking.

I think the secret of my success on the first sarge is that im really confident now, i have a very powerfull inner game, so the outer game moves smooth.

Hope this helps u.
Author:  haudas [ Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:03 pm ]
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Awesome,congrats to you.
What inner game material did you use?
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