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| Author: | pancakeninja [ Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | AFC with some success on first opener |
First of all, I am relatively new to PUA. Basically, on Labor Day weekend this past week I sifted through tons of Mystery and Style’s videos about their methods, which is almost all the exposure I have had. I’ve been reading The Game this week and am about 3/4’s of the way through it. I am also quite intelligent and have been practicing on friends (without telling them of course) this week, so most of the information I need to be successful is in my head. I will probably make a post later about how I got into everything if you are interested. Also, I should mention I am a virgin (although somehow I managed to kiss 2 or 3 girls in my life somehow lol), so I am on the far left of the AFC pathetic spectrum. I took the little quiz on stylelife and I ranked in the 15% range! So this is coming from a truly scared and pathetic guy (I can say that objectively and not get down on myself too much for it though). I went out tonight to a bar with a friend and her husband and another guy friend of theirs I only met recently. I was disappointed to be going there because I scanned the place last night (we went there last night with some other friends) and the only sets available would have been really uncomfortable approaches…it’s a loud restaurant type place and the only girls at the bar are literally hugging a guy. Unfortunately, it was the same tonight. I talked to my married friend for a little bit trying new material (and trying to discover new material) since I was way too scared to open. I am not attracted to her at all, but she seems to like me a lot now, probably because I keep practicing on her. Last night, I made her give me a kiss on the cheek before I left, and tonight (later on), she demanded a hug when I was leaving, which probably has something to do with me pretending she is a set. So, frustrated that I was such a pussy and that there was nothing good to open, I just basically kept practicing on her and the two guys. Then, luckily, we went over to another place where there were tons of available sets. We all sat down, but I was still too scared to open anyone. I saw a three girl bachelorette party right in front of us and was still too scared to say anything to them. The other non-married guy in our group was sitting basically right next to him and I’m surprised he didn’t even make a move towards them. So basically I’m sitting there like an idiot, pissed off at myself that I am not doing anything. Well at this place, there are some musicians who are entertainers, which is part of the reason there were so many girls there (they love it). So, I get up to dance to their pop music songs to entertain my married friend (I know she loves it when I dance, as do some of the other girl friends of mine), and nobody in my group would dance with me. I turn behind me and see a pretty woman and say, “They’re just going to let me embarrass myself.” She laughed…I thought to open her, but I didn’t really feel like wasting my time since she was a little older than me (~35…I am barely above the drinking age) and it looked like her husband was next to her. The good part: I sat down after the song was over and started looking at the bacherolette party again. Then one of the musicians said, “Go find three strangers and tell them blah blah blah…” I thought wtf, if there was ever a sign to stop being a pussy and open these girls, this was it. Surprisingly, another girl from a separate group came up and gave me a hug between the bacherolette girls’ table. That didn’t really do anything for me as I was already smiling like an idiot all night even though I didn’t want to (thanks Style). After that, I looked at one of the bacherolette girls. All of them were wearing boas and I asked if I could wear one of the boas she had on (I didn’t really pay attention at this point, but I later figured out she was the only hot one in their group who was worthy of being a target). pancakeninja: Can I wear one of your boas? HB8: Are you going to give it back? pancakeninja: No, I’m a thief. HB8: Then you can’t have one. I know better than to qualify myself to her, but in the interest of thinking fast and not losing them, I quickly said I would not steal it. pancakeninja: I will give it back. I’m sitting right there. HB8. Okay. Do you want the red or the pink one? pancakeninja: Pink of course. She gives me the pink one and immediately I’m in. The girls immediately ask my group to take a picture with all three of them and my group takes a picture with our camera as well. I was happy about that because I know I will be able to use that as social proof later if I can get my married friend to send me the pictures. Plus it was nice to put my arm around three girls who were all relatively attractive, especially ones I had just met. This was a first for me. In my AFC days (although I am still a major AFC/rAFC), even if I impressed a girl, I would have been way too much of a gentlemen and way too humble to have even taken a picture with them or touch them. I remember when I was in middle school, I managed to really impress a girl one day who was very pretty and popular by making her and her friends laugh pretty hard. She said, “You’re really funny,” and was sincere about it since I had just said something that girls still find funny when I say something similar today. I said “No I’m not” quickly and she said “No you really are.” I was way to humble to even acknowledge my prowess and was too scared and dumb to know what to say next. She and her friends walked away when I again said “No I’m not” quickly. I could feel her intense attraction to me, but it melted away quickly when I did nothing about it. It was a great high, however, which I still remember today distinctly. If I could have that opportunity again after only a week of passionately pursuing PUA knowledge, I may have been making out with her 5 minutes later. Anyways, back to the story…After the pictures, I excused myself for a moment to go get a drink as I could not think immediately of anything else to say to keep their interest. When I came back, I still hadn’t thought of anything, but the entertainers were singing the local state college fight songs and I teased the obstacle for breaking my heart because she didn’t watch the game earlier of the team’s fight song they were singing (although I had not chosen a target yet, I would later figure out she was the obstacle). I asked another one of the girl’s I saw wearing a red veil with devil horns, “You’re not getting married, are you?”, and she said yes she is. I hugged her and I said I was sorry for her and then asked her if she had her fiancé well trained. She nodded, and I said that’s the only important thing. I asked her if she was going to invite me to the wedding, and she said she was too afraid I would be the one who objected at the ceremony. I said, “But you know me.” I ran out of things to say and got away by saying, “You girls have too much energy for me. I need to go sit down for a second.” I am probably younger than them, but I thought it was better than losing their attention. I returned to my seat for a second and examined them. I realized the first one was really hot, the second one was getting married, and the third one was not really that hot at all (maybe a 5). Obviously, I chose the hot one as the target. I tried to think of some negs real quick and I only thought of the Bugs Bunny teeth one and that she kind of looked like the cartoon character Daria because of her nerdy glasses and short brown hair. I do not remember what happened in detail from there for some reason (I wasn’t drunk lol, I only had 1 ½ beers at that point and I am really tall so I can drink a lot lol). One detail I can’t place is that I got up on a chair to dance to get them excited, which it did…they were wooting and grinning like idiots. One of the employees walking by told me to get down, and I playfully said “Yes sir.” I went over to a seat in the direction of which they were facing (so I would be in the spotlight) and starting looking at the pictures on their digital camera. I noticed how stupid I looked, which I didn’t really care about as I always look stupid in pictures (especially because I am so tall), but then as I flipped to a picture of the HB8, I figured out a perfect neg would be to say that she’s not very photogenic. One of her eyes was slightly closed and she still looked really hot, but it was still the perfect neg. So I showed her and said, “You’re not very photogenic,” and then showed her friends and told them. They laughed and oooooooooo’ed at that comment. I decided to ignore the HB8 for a minute so she would get jealous while I talked to her friends. I gave them the best friends test which they enjoyed (although the one I thought was passive said sarcastically that she was passive, so I realized I screwed up, but it was all good since they liked it). I soon turned back to the HB8 and did the ring thing about the Greek gods representing the fingers. She loved it, plus I got to use a little kino. I noticed the guy in my group who wasn’t married started talking to the other two girls as soon as a turned back to the HB8. I thought to myself, “What a perfect wingman,” but I later realized he was just trying to get in on what I had worked for so far (and was probably really jealous of me at that point too). After that I started to dance with the HB8 and other girls. The HB8 pretty quickly started grinding on my crotch (partly because we did a little kino…that probably helped her and it helped me a lot too to not be scared to touch her). I touched her arms, neck, shoulders, hips…all positive reactions. I put my hands on the side of her butt and she took them off, which was the only negative response I got from her. and I got a little half chubbed, I backed off a little so she wouldn’t freak out or anything (she probably wouldn’t have, but why risk it). That was probably a bad thing, as soon the girl who was getting married moved in and started to dance more closely with her. You may think that was not so bad, but I sure as hell did not want to lose their attention for a second if I could help it (Note: I do not want attention and actually hate it, but I know this is a key being the alpha male, so this is a sticking point for me). They had their boas around each other’s necks and I tried to get in between them so they would pay attention to me, which didn’t really work, but it didn’t matter anyways as we all still kind of danced together. Eventually, I turned to the obstacle to dance with her for a second and all of the sudden my “wingman” started approaching the HB8 to dance and put his hand around her. I was like WTF!?! After all that work to warm her up, I sure as hell wasn’t going to let him take her. The girls were really into him. He is probably better looking than me (I can never judge which guy is hotter for some reason) and seems more muscular like an AMOG, plus they thought he looked like some actor I never heard of. I was trying to think fast of anyway to draw the attention back to me. After about 10 seconds that seemed like an eternity, I still couldn’t think of anything to say, so I just took the boa I was wearing and rapped it around the HB8’s neck like I saw them doing (bachelorettemogging?) and pulled her over. My “wingman” gave up immediately when he saw me reach towards her and walked towards the other two girls. I don’t think that was out of respect for me going for her, I think he just recognized my superior game and didn’t want to mess with me. I doubt he’s ever seen a guy go up to three girls and maintain their attention like that (neither have I until I just did it lol), so he was probably freaked out by that. I am not a proud person at all, that is an objective assessment. So, I was pleased that I could have that kind of power. Also, I took HB8’s glasses and the fake ring she was wearing (they were plastic rings that looked like ring pops and lit up….part of the bachelorette outfit) and put them on. At this point it was closing time (not time to close, but the bar was literally shutting down) so I thought if I could lock in something from her that she would for sure give me her number. Her glasses were pretty low power and I thought they were actually just fake glasses when I first put them on and could see fine. She tried to take the fake ring back from me and couldn’t get it off my finger. I let her struggle with it and told her that it wants me to keep it. Keep in mind that all this happened in like 30 minutes. I knew we were pressed for time when we got there in the first place 45 minutes before closing, so I thought opening any set would have to end prematurely anyways. Surprisingly, I got pretty far by this point, but it was closing time. The HB8 opened her phone and I thought she was going to ask me for my number or give me hers, so I opened my phone as well. I might have made a mistake at this point. After about two seconds of her not giving me her number, I said to the girl getting married, “If I give you my number will you call me to invite me to the wedding?” The HB8 said “Don’t worry, we’ll call you and ask you for your number.” She said that really playfully, but damn, that pretty much shuts me out. If I would have waited a few more seconds maybe the HB8 would have wanted to exchange numbers. Am I overthinking this? Any experts who have an opinion would be greatly appreciated. I still tried to coax some kind of phone number exchange without forcing it so I didn’t look like I was planning this all along, but to no avail. If anyone has any advice on what to do in this sort of situation, please let me know. The best thing I can think of looking back is to have said something like “Hey, if you liked learning about the ring representations of Greek gods, I would be glad to teach you something else cool sometime. Give me your number and I’ll call you.” Or maybe if I cannot get a phone number exchange, I could just have a piece of paper with my name and number on it (printing up business cards that doubles as DHV since I have a cool intellectual job would also help here). You may think that giving her my number is stupid as she probably won’t call, but I am thinking that it is better than her having no options if she decides later that I am a cool person (the business card may shock her into that mindset too). Any other suggestions would be appreciated greatly! After that I playfully called her a bitch (I know it sounds harsh but I was very playful about it) and started to walk away. I waited for my group and we were kind of walking out with the bachelorettes. There were like three bachelorette parties there that night and another group of bachelorettes was walking in front of the bachelorettes I had been talking to. I told the HB8, “I bet she would have invited me to their wedding,” referring to the bride-to-be ahead of us. The bride-to-be in that group was absolutely smashed, and saying that was enough to open a girl in that group who was an HB6. The HB6 said that bride probably would invite me. Outside I asked the smashed bride-to-be if she would invite me to her wedding. I can’t remember exactly what she said, but the bride-to-be from the group I was talking to in the bar (the one wearing the red veil with devil horns) came up and gave me a big hug. I think she might have liked me more than the HB8 after I felt her hug me tightly. Maybe it was a LMR before the altar, and she wanted me for that reason lol. I tried again to give her my number and the HB8 said again that she would call me and get my number. I walked away to assure I remained dominant in a last ditch effort. I approached my married friend, who had not heard our conversation. I told her, “That bitch wouldn’t even invite me to her wedding,” to show her how ballsy I was and to DHV just for fun. My “wingman” made another effort to scoop up my efforts by crossing the girls as he left when I had already dropped their asses. They had a brief laugh for about three seconds when he said goodbye, so I was sure he could not get a phone number or anything (he didn’t even ask, which shows how much even AMOGs lack in balls). When my group was driving my back to my place, I asked them if I entertained them sufficiently, and my married friend said “Ohhhh yeahhhh.” Closing thoughts: 1. Bacherolette parties are really great to open. They are normally wearing crazy shit and just asking to wear one of their items shows you are a person who will be interesting. 2. Peacocking probably helps. I did not have any items to lock them in or any interesting items (other than a decent watch). I wish I would have had my sunglasses like I did last night so I could put them on their head or something to entertain them. 3. It was fun. Even though nothing really came of it other than a picture and story to show to some potential girlfriends Monday as social proof, it was still more interesting than sitting with my normal friends. Although, it wasn’t that great either, even considering I had a HB8 grinding on my crotch. 4. I think my biggest mistake was not DHVing enough. I am not a very loud person so I especially hate talking in loud bars like the one we were in. At one point I literally had my hands over the ears of the HB8 like I was telling her a secret and instead yelling into her ear. I should probably work on a few DHV statements to drop in whenever I run out of things to say. If you thought I DHVed enough or not enough or have any advice, please let me know. 5. Sorry for the long post/shitty writing! I normally am brief whenever I post elsewhere, but I thought I should document everything in detail. Also sorry if I didn’t form this appropriately for the FR section. Please forgive the nub. |
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| Author: | pancakeninja [ Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:45 am ] |
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I'm not going to read all that faggot Cliffs: 1. Open bachelorettes by wearing their boas. 2. Rub up against hot girl. 3. Outclass semi-AMOG guy. 4. Fuck up close. |
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| Author: | neogamer [ Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:37 pm ] |
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Good thing I like to read! As a rAFC myself, I think you're off to a good start. You're one week into PUA training and you're opening and grinding with an HB8. At the grinding part, I think you tried to touch her here there and everywhere. I haven't read about that kind of touching leading anywhere. Keep it simple, grind, finish the dance, and try to make out. Also, you may not have neg'd her enough to draw her in. You have to take them down a few notches before they want to please you. I've watched some Mystery tapes and he is relentless in negging the target and giving mixed signals. |
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