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| Author: | SimonTemplar [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | The Art of Indirect Openers |
This being my first post, I figured what better way to introduce myself than through some examples of my game. First of all, I am not a huge fan of direct openers, or environments that give off the direct vibes such as bars or clubs. How are clubs seen as direct? Well, every intelligent woman at a club realizes that 99% of the guys there are looking for hook ups. Direct environments are places where women naturally are at their highest defense, and are the hardest to approach unless you are a very skillful PUA. Indirect enviroments include the mall, grocery stores, school, etc... places deemed as day game. The great thing about indirect openers is that given the right delivery method, they slip right under the radar without giving the girl a hint as to what your intentions are. I believe the key to day game is consistency. On your days off go to 10-20 different stores ranging from jewelry, video stores, grocery, and so on. Believe me you will get some great IOI's if you do this right. Example 1: Claire's jewelry store. I wasn't really in need of earrings for my piercing, but I thought of a hilarious opener to use in that SPAM. So I figured I would try it and not give a s*** if the girl grabbed the bait or not. I walked in and right away I noticed a 9 standing at the desk. Beautiful brunette with a nice curvy bod... I was stoked. So I pretended to look at a rack of sterling silver earrings because I knew she would eventually find her way over to me and ask if she could help. **A side note, try to visit these stores when they aren't too busy.** "Can I help you find something" said the hottie. Word for word this is what I said... "Yeah... I have a hole that needs filled... Oh... that came out wrong didn't it?"... Immediately she laughed her ass off... I got the response I wanted. She did not seem grossed out, but instead was giving me major IOI's. Before we go any further let's analyze my indirect opener. The great thing about it is the sexual under tones without being direct towards her. Sure I wanted to fill her hole, but I kind of reversed the idea and right away made her laugh... creating that instant comfort. Most guys know that making a woman laugh initially is important in any game. Also another important factor is the tone of voice I said it in. If you say it very aggressively then you are going to come off as a creep or pervert. I said it in a very playful but confident manner. Once I grabbed her interest I noticed that other customers were coming into the store but she was not even aware of them. She was talking to me about her piercings because I asked her, and then somehow I was able to talk to her on a more personal level. She told me about her kid and that she would love to go out sometime. Prime example of how effective an indirect opener can be. Example 2: This was when I was starting out with pick up game at age 19 (I am now 26), and was my first real results. The setting was a video store.. I had a little bit of an advantage here because one of my good buddies worked there, not to mentioned I worked next door. Robyn was her name and she was about an 8. Still very sexy. The great thing about this is how indirect it is. My friend was at one counter, and she was at the other about 10 feet away so she could hear what I was saying. I went in gave her eye contact but walked away. Shopped around a little bit, acting as if I couldn't find what I wanted. Instead of asking her where it was I went up to my buddy and asked him. "Hey, Justin, do you carry the movie that Robyn is in called The Hot Chick (New release at the time with Rob Snyder)." As soon as I said it I looked over in her direction and she was laughing and blushing. Blushing is always a good sign guys. Then I walked over to her and talked to her for like 2 minutes. I told her I couldn't talk long because I had to work soon. Told her I worked next door. To my surprise later that day when I was working, Robyn came in after her shift, brought me some candy, gave me her number, and asked me if I wanted to go to band night at this local bar. I S*** YOU NOT! I didn't ask for her number or anything. She took the bait I gave her earlier and damn I reeled that one in effortlessly. My boss even as my witness heard her say work for word that she wanted to come over my house afterwards and bust my balls. Guys indirect methods are king in my opinion. Women are looking to be swept off their feet. They are looking for a confident man to come into their lives and set themselves apart from the rest. Too many guys think the only place to pick up women are at the bars and clubs. I can understand why, and in no way am I bashing those that do. Clubs are proven places to meet women, but anyone would agree with me that the competition is fierce. There women are expecting men to flirt with them. Most women don't expect it at stores. Another note is that the rate of rejection is much lower than bars or clubs in day game. If the girl doesn't laugh or take your bait then just move on. You don't have to worry about them talking s*** about you to their friends because they aren't there. Make sure you are able to read her body language. If she is smiling or laughing at any of your openers then that is you key in. The whole goal of indirect environments is to either give her your number or get hers. Personally I never like to ask for a woman's number. Print out some business/personal cards with your name and number on it. Give it to her and then if she calls or txts you then you are off to the races. You may be able to build some light kino during your initial meeting(touches to arm between elbow and wrist), but that isn't priority. You can build kino later when you take her out on a date. I have plenty more examples to list, but this post is already long enough to prove beneficial. If you'd like to read more examples just let me know and I will post them. Until then play it smooth. |
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| Author: | Chris101 [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:29 am ] |
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Good to know it usually seems to work so well for you... always going indirect, particularly in the day-time. But having practiced Day Game extensively for the last year, I'm not sure so anymore. I've experimented with all kinds of indirect openers, but usually it seems like they can always smell ulterior motives and get turned off, or at least bring up their defenses quickly. Maybe I'm still being way too nice and should tease more or something? Either way, the higher-risk, higher-reward direct game seems to work best for some reason. By the way, isn't just giving out your number a rookie mistake, instead of making sure to get some contact details from them? I've never been contacted first by a girl. |
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| Author: | SimonTemplar [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:58 am ] |
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Not everyone is cut out for day game or indirect methods. Hey more power to you bro if direct methods work better for you. What I've learned from pick up game is that what works for one person doesn't always work for another. I believe the reason for this is that we all have comfort given certain SPAM . When you are comfortable then you portray a certain level of confidence which is easily seen by women. I am too uneasy in clubs with direct game. I just don't feel like myself. I excel in places where there isn't too much going on around me. Very laid back. As far as direct openers go I haven't had much practice on them to really know if they work for me or not. I have always liked the advantage indirect has given me. As far as giving girls my number goes, it depends on how you look at it. Our goal is to be portrayed as the alpha male. I've always believed that a guy should never ask for a number. It comes across as lower quality in my eyes if I were to ask for a girl's number. I could care less if I give my number out and she doesn't call me back. I am giving my number out to several girls a day/week. |
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| Author: | Chris101 [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:12 am ] |
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Don't get me wrong, I've had success with both direct and indirect game during Day Game, but after such a long time I thought I would have been getting more consistent results. There's just something missed or that I'm not doing right, and I've never been able to work it out. But I also realise everyone's different, and you have to get out there to work out what does and doesn't work for you, I've been getting more success at night lately, which I wouldn't have expected, since I thought day would suit my personality more. By the way, where are you from? I want to believe chicks "want to be swept off their feet", but the reality has always seemed a little harsher and less rewarding for the confidence and effort put forward, with many not being so open to meeting people and will seem to want to avoid being picked up at all costs (even when you go very indirect). Nevertheless I remain a strong advocate of Day Game for many reasons. I really want to travel again and see what people are like in other countries (compared to Australians). But hey, I'm thinking I should really try this number-distributing experiment. Hand out cards to every interesting girl I talk to, see if anyone contacts me. Could be fun. |
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