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| Author: | speed-bird [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Make out with HB8.5, LMR problems, Day 2 not looking likely |
Saturday night in San Francisco. OK, this started off as a house party with only a small number of girls (2) and a roughly equal number of guys, one of whom (Guy A) has been banging the HB8.5 blonde on a casual basis (HB8.5a). HB8.5a lives alone at that apartment. I landed quite late after most of the food had been eaten, introduced myself to the HB8.5a and asked if she was Estonian. She's Czech. The Estonian (who I'd been told about by my buddy) hadn't arrived yet. This was the cause of a bit of merriment since we'd obviously been talking about the girls. A bit of a blunder? Well it got people laughing at what was a bit of a Seinfeld moment! They offered me wine but I just opted for water, I made sure they knew it was because I'd done a 79 mile bike ride that morning and was still rehydrating. In fact I explained that the reason I was late was because I had to take a three hour nap to recover before going out. They were keen to offer me something though, so I asked if there was any food since I was starved. HB8.5a offered me some pasta which she heated up while the Estonian girl arrived. She was a HB8.5 too, so I'll call her HB8.5b. She's 25, great little body, nice little rack, pretty face, and bubbly personality. (I'm 34.) I threw a few standard conversation openers about her jewelry (she wasn't wearing much, just a belly button stud) so I gave a little neg about how she could have made up a more interesting story about it. She gave me the standard question of what do I do for a living, so I let her guess before I told her (give her a hoop to jump through before you jump through one of hers). I guessed what she did, got it completely wrong, but I was close. She ended up sitting beside me so I was able to do a little bit of exploratory kino. Conversation was in danger of running dry so I diverted the subject to dancing. HB8.5a was playing music and when I mentioned that I dance salsa she insisted on putting some salsa music on. I gave HB8.5b a little crash course in salsa (more kino involved). Then the music changed to waltz so I started waltzing with her while the other guys just looked on helpless! I love being the only guy in the room who can dance! A little later I insisted on bouncing the whole set, because I said to one of the guys that this was not a target-rich environment. So I named a local Irish pub that we could go to, they'd never been there, and that's where we went. I bought a round of drinks here even though I was just drinking soda water.* I get HB8.5b's number at this point.** We decamped to a table in the corner by the door. I let them all sit down first and I positioned myself beside HB8.5b. There was a bit of drama going on between HB8.5a and Guy A who has A) been fucking her, and B) been drinking too much. This distracted HB8.5b a little bit, but I was able to keep her attention for a lot of the time with some interesting canned stories that I had ready. When I started throwing in DHV-spiked stories, she started concentrating on me and touching her hair (IOI time). The other guy (Guy B) started working the room and getting girls' numbers while HB8.5a accompanied him. I was tempted to do the same but I figured I was doing okay with HB8.5b here so I kept it up. Guy B eventually took charge of the Guy A situation by making sure he got into a taxi and got home safely. So it was just be and the two HBs. I bounced them to another pub down the street where we stayed until closing time. Guy B joined us again after having dropped Guy A off. Again I was sitting at the bar with HB8.5b so I kept bombarding her with DHV stories. I get talking about dating and when girls expect you to call, so I set up my time bridge at this point and get her to agree that we're going to hang out on Monday evening and that I can call her any time. After the pub closed we walked home. Guy B was walking hand in hand with HB8.5a, I linked arms with HB8.5b who was squeezing my arm at this point (big time IOI). Guy A stops at some building and HB8.5a turns to face him, he says "Keep going, we're just going to stop here and admire this building," so we kept on walking while they made out. They caught up with us again and I transitioned from linked arms to holding hands. We went back into HB8.5a's apartment building. There are two elevators, I joked that they could take one elevator and we could take the other. He joked about global warming, then said "you know what? We'll take the stairs." So I was alone in the elevator with HB8.5b! "I like your scarf," I said. Pulled her by the scarf and pulled her in for a kiss, and we started making out. We got to the door of the apartment and made out a little more while we waited for the others. So after about half an hour we were settled with HB8.5b sitting on the floor in front of me on one couch, HB8.5a on the other with Guy B kissing her occasionally, and HB8.5b pouting for a kiss from me, which I gave her. The other two disappeared to the bedroom, we got on to the other couch where I let her get on top. After some heavy breathing and reaching into her shirt she gives me LMR. HB8.5b "We should stop, this is too fast." Me: "You're absolutely right." (continued making out) HB8.5b "No, we need to stop." Me: "I entirely agree." (get up and pull up my iPhone, start checking email. Classic 'freeze out.') Now the flow is spoiled a little bit here when HB8.5a comes out of the bedroom to get salt and tissues to clean up a wine spill. HB8.5b asks if we want to watch a DVD. I agree to that.*** So we're lying on the floor under a blanket watching Meet the Fockers. I start giving her back rubs and kino escalating again. The making out gets hot and steamy, but the LMR won't go away and she applies the brakes again. She drops in and out of sleep, we get up on the couch and snuggle for an incredibly uncomfortable night's sleep. I take my shirt off saying it's uncomfortable to sleep in, but it's still not a comfortable couch for two people to sleep on. Guy B leaves in the middle of the night. I give her more back rubs and all over massage in the morning. HB8.5a gets up, they both start cleaning the place up after a long private talk in the bedroom, and I take off. I kiss HB8.5b on the lips before leaving, confirm that we'll hang out on Monday, and shake hands/hug with HB8.5a. So that was Sunday morning. -- Follow ups: Sunday evening I friend HB8.5b on Facebook. Late Sunday night I email her through Facebook saying I'll call in the morning. Monday morning at 10:45am I call and leave a voicemail about hanging out tonight.**** --- Remarks and sticking points: * I know that the standard practice is not to buy a girl a drink, but I think that applies to a girl that you meet from a cold approach. This is a pre-opened set where there's already long established relationships between some of the parties, so I think that it's okay to take a different approach here. What do you think? ** The early number close. Best not to leave it to the end of the set, something I learned on this forum. *** Movies are a fucking buzz killer. I should have suggested that we just talk instead. That's what I'll be doing in future in that situation. **** Timing sucks because she's going out of town on Tuesday, so there was a short gap between Sunday morning and Monday night which was when we said we'd hang out next. I figured that a call on Monday morning would be better than calling her on Sunday evening after having only said goodbye to her on Sunday morning. What do you think? Should I have called her on Sunday night? Either way, it's out of my hands now since I don't dare make any more attempts to contact her. Either way, I have a backup plan for tonight since I'm reconnecting with an old flame if I don't get my Day 2 with HB8.5b. |
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| Author: | speed-bird [ Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:50 am ] |
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Update: Still no reply on Monday night, so I send her a text saying "Better get those bags packed!" Still no reply via text, or call. If I'm going to contact her again it'll have to be via Facebook email but after a long delay of a few days. Even then I'm not sure if I should, I think this one is gone. Her and the other HB are pretty tight. They can be a bit drama queenish at that age. Maybe I'm guilty by association with Guy A who is clearly in HB8.5a's bad books at the minute. I also might have gone overboard on the kino during the course of the night and the morning. It's been so long since I had a warm body in a bed beside me that I couldn't help but indulge in a bit of snuggling. Thoughts? |
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| Author: | Truncheon [ Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:59 am ] |
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tip: Dont mix online & offline gaming. Guess you should let this bird fly. |
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| Author: | speed-bird [ Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:10 pm ] |
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Why wouldn't you mix them? |
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| Author: | NewApprentice [ Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:07 pm ] |
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I think you did quite well, except maybe two things: - too much kino, especially after she rejected you repeatedly, you should have frozen her out completely. I think that when she suggested a movie you should have just said that you dont feel like it and you are leaving. - You are contacting her WAY too much, and it looks needy. You left her sunday morning and by Monday evening (just 1.5 days) you managed to: Add her on fb (1), mailed her through fb (2), called her on monday (3) and then left another message (4). That's more than 2 times a day! You need to stop contacting her and wait till either she contacts you or you meet by chance. |
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| Author: | Leo5 [ Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:50 pm ] |
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Quote: I think you did quite well, except maybe two things:
I agree with this
- too much kino, especially after she rejected you repeatedly, you should have frozen her out completely. I think that when she suggested a movie you should have just said that you dont feel like it and you are leaving. - You are contacting her WAY too much, and it looks needy. You left her sunday morning and by Monday evening (just 1.5 days) you managed to: Add her on fb (1), mailed her through fb (2), called her on monday (3) and then left another message (4). That's more than 2 times a day! You need to stop contacting her and wait till either she contacts you or you meet by chance. |
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| Author: | speed-bird [ Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:55 am ] |
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I think you're right. Overdoing it on the kino is a symptom of having gone so long without getting laid. Overdoing it on the contacting is a symptom of this depression thing I've been fighting. The solution to both problems is to carry on sarging and get to a place where each girl I'm with is just one of many, rather than being the first since summer. |
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