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| Author: | Pascal. [ Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | first ever report - mixed reviews...help? |
I went clubbing last night and it was the first time in which i tried a varirty of PUA tricks and patterns, heres what went down and how i think it went; 1)in the que for the club - approached 2girls and asked their opinion on something (just moved here with my 2 mates who are going out with eachother but iv just found out that the girl is cheating on the guy. should i tell him, breaking my loyalties to her and being seen by him as bringer of bad news etc an yet if i dont i will be betraying his trust). From this s was like, its usuallly woman who lie woulnt you say so... as girls they both answered no and so from their i transitioned into the 5lies game (the transition wasnt very smooth at all as it was like "oh ok, well seeing as your opinion lets play a game to test that") i then proceeded to read targets palm (as the other girl handnt really been part of the covo from the start so negging was quite hard etc). i dont really know how i transition to thsi but again i cant imagine it was smooth, but this reading worked quited well as it seemed pretty accurate... However after this it just kinda faded and she turned away to her mate, i didnt wanna look like a compltet hassle so i just turned to mine...interest was lost. 2) in the que for the bar - 2set again pretty similar set without palm reading however i was getting loads of ioi's from HB5-6 instaed of targeted HB7-8. made a few jokes etc but the chemestry and again INTERST and hook was never really then and it just faded with HB7-8 3)outside cooling down in the smokers area - this was easier as it was quiet and convo's could flow freely, i opened a set with a girl whos i was introduced to thru her friend in which my mate was trying it with. she was about a 7-8 again and igave her a few jokes and stories from the "did you see the fight?" but still didnt really know how to pull off any DHV stuff at all... however i did manage to number close and Kclose so it was ok apart from i was getting frustrated due to the lack of gaming that i was bale to use and instead replying on my natural style way too much. the problems that i realised were as follows 1)some opinion openers are completely random and just out of the blue in a casual situation - wat would you recommend 2)clubs are so loud that any complx convos are impossible, wat do u do as you cant ask them to a quieter place b4 you have approached and opened (which seemed impossible to do) 3)how to keep interst after an opener and possible game... lots of things dont seem natural in chatting up a woman in some of these ways in relation to the loud, energetic SPAM inside. i would love some feedback on this please... |
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| Author: | TrulyJack [ Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:05 am ] |
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Hi there The only comments I have is that I heard it was not advisable to approach girls in a queue because they are locked in and there is no escape, might feel a bit awkward and then if it goes stale you are stuck in the queue with them losing value and in a bar queue there is a good possibility of interrupt. Not a big deal but just thought I would mention it as I have had some rather bad experiences approaching in queues especially if you get a bad blow out. I find it much easier to approach in an open playing field i.e when it is very easy to exit and for them to exit if they want. It is just less awkward that way. The other thing is you say it faded away. That is probably because you let it. You are gaging them too much for interest so if it is not there it just "fades away". You should be "Ploughing" which basically means just keep on talking and ploughing through at the beggining, for the first 3 minutes you should be upholding at least 70-80% of the conversation, you did approach them as rapport builds and the hook is reached you can listen more and ask questions. I find this helps. |
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| Author: | Lenox [ Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:50 pm ] |
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Another problem i have with pua is their main contrdiction.. That is... "You need to have confidence in yourself and believe your the man" Followed by... "But your too much of a total retard to speak to girls, so im going to give you a bunch of pre rehearsed stories to learn" These things don't work. There rehersed stories, they dont sound real and they are very dull for the most part. Also are you going to learn a stock response to every single question the girl might ask you? Is that really advisable. How about this... Realise rehersed stories don't work, Instead Approach her and show your real personality.. Have the confidence and believe you are funny/intresting enough to come up with your own responses. |
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| Author: | Conker [ Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:19 pm ] |
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Well sounds like you are all script! These scripts are just tools to help you shoe-horn yourself into a situation. Every time you use a script, you should be thinking like hell how are you going to generate some natural conversation from it. Get them to talk. When they answer your question about the cheating thing, ask them if they are speaking from experience, do they know anyone who behaved that way, become interested in the conversation, try to work in other points, what do you do, etc. stuff for you to become interested in what they are saying. Otherwise you are quite obviously, someone who is just spouting a script. Keep a frameset in mind. Who are you? You don't want to be script dude. You want to be a dude who likes to have fun and is just talking to someone randomly nearby, who gradually becomes interested in what they are saying, and then naturally starts to form a friendship. |
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