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| Author: | Clozer [ Fri May 29, 2009 3:31 am ] |
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After my daily workout this morning I decided to try to number close 3 girls in 30 minutes before I had to get home, eat lunch and get ready for work. Here's how it went: Minute 3: Easily closed a girl who worked at a nearby bakery. She texts me back a few minutes after we part. Minute 5: Approach a chubby girl with big tits. Upon closer inspection her face is not so great. I've always thought that picking up ugly girls is easier than picking up beautiful women, but I've learned that's not true. Ugly girls usually seem to have less self confidence and don't seem to deal well with being accepted so quickly. Chubby girl gives me her number, but I do sense some hesitation on her part. Probably not a hot lead Minute 30: I've been walking around in the hot sun for 25 minutes with nothing. This is a suburban area, it's about 10:50am and I'm in the business district. I can't find any good approach opportunities. Talk up an older lady, probably in her late 40's. I open well, but her body language gets increasingly negative. I attempt to number close she negs me. I'm okay with that, she wasn't so hot, I was just trying to reach my goal in 30 minutes. Minute 40: I tell myself to quite now. I'm a little disappointed. Don't want to quite after being negged. I see a really hot chick up ahead, but she's walking really fast and I don't like to approach from behind. She stops at a crosswalk. The light is red. I come up beside her and ask her for directions. She kindly tries to help me. I say thank you and walk on. Right before she vears off into a building I call her back again. She kinos me, touches my arm and says, "Come to think about it, I think the place you're looking for is over there...." I pull a false time constraint and tell her I have to meet a friend at the place I'm looking for. She also says she is late for an appointment. But funny thing is, she actually takes 5 minutes to give me her cell email address, and she tells me to email her later. Possible hot lead. Lessons learned: -don't assume non-attractive women are going to be an easy number close -don't assume that hot women are going to be a difficult number close |
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| Author: | Mr E [ Fri May 29, 2009 7:39 am ] |
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Quote: Lessons learned:
I should try to internalise this.-don't assume non-attractive women are going to be an easy number close -don't assume that hot women are going to be a difficult number close Your day game seems great. I have always approached in bars and clubs but day game seems to be quite different. I get to feeling like I am being a stalker or some weird shit. What is your midset or attitude before you do the approach? |
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| Author: | Clozer [ Sat May 30, 2009 1:06 pm ] |
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Mr. E, you are the opposite of me. I stay out of bars and clubs. I think girls have their guard up more in those kinds of places, it's hard to communicate because sometimes the music is loud and you have a lot of competition in a small area as well as a lot obstacles. Nevertheless, the bar/club scene intrigues me, especially after watching how well Mystery does it. I'm not saying it's a bad place to meet girls, it's just a totally different environment than day game. You asked about my mindset. I have been doing day game for years. I have done it so many times I don't need to even think about what to do and I have very little anxiety about approaching women. The more you do it, the more natural it will become. I don't stalk women or follow them for long distances. I see a girl coming my direction and when I walk past her I just ask her for directions or something. I can usually tell in the first 3 seconds by her body language whether or not she is going to be open to giving me he phone number. I have to tell you though, that I am a foreigner here in Japan which I think makes it extremely easy for me to grab women's attention and interest. I am also quite successful at this in my home country as well, but don't f-close as much in America as I do here in Japan. Sometimes I challenge myself to get 20 number closes in an outing. That usually takes around 4 or 5 hours. It's tough and exhausting. I don't think I ever achieved 20, but I have gotten up to like 16 or 17 before. Three weeks ago I challenged myself again and number closed 13 girls in 3 hours. After that I got tired and went home. I ended up f-closing one of the girls last week and have another one who I am texting with who is a possible f-close. There are a couple other girls I'm also texting but I'm not feeling the f-close vibe yet. |
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| Author: | Mr E [ Sun May 31, 2009 2:23 pm ] |
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Hey friend, well, neat!!! I reckon that there is a massive difference between nightgame and day game. I mean last night strolling round the club checking out the honeys, i see the bitch shield all the time. some see the approach and automatically turn their backs on you to disarm your approach. I did it anyway, just for laughs. I was at the point where I just didn't care.. exccellent moment. although you get the girls in the party mood so it is cool with some but hey I guess when you do it enough you get good at it anywhere no? sarge on bro. |
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| Author: | BenedictMSmith [ Sun May 31, 2009 9:26 pm ] |
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both of those are good rules to live by. i'm surprised at how nice some of the more attractive girls i've met are...usually they have higher self esteem as well and make for better LTR's. |
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| Author: | Billionaire [ Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:23 am ] |
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Hey Clozer, do you every step right in front of a girl to block her path when you start talking to her? That's what Vin DiCarlo said he does. In the VH1 Pick Up Artist season one, nobody was able to succeed picking up pedestrians, but none of them stepped in front of girls either. I guess Mystery couldn't teach them how to do day game since he just does night clubs. As far as the more attractive girls, they may be nice, but aren't they always taken? Don't they always have a boyfriend or husband? |
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| Author: | TrueFlame [ Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 30 minutes 3 number closes attempt |
Quote: Lessons learned: -don't assume non-attractive women are going to be an easy number close -don't assume that hot women are going to be a difficult number close Congratulations, great challenge. Inspires me to push myself more. About attractive vs non-attractive women: you have different problems. I'm rather surprised that you just came to this conclusion since your game is obviously in a higher league than mine. I never approach anything but hot women because the risk/reward ratio is way worse with less attractive women. I suspect it is slightly easier on a % basis to seduce less attractive women, but it very much depends. Many less attractive women have serious insecurity issues (indeed, this makes them significantly less attractive even on a purely physical level because they look miserable as shit). while many attractive women are just high on life all the time because every one and his dog kisses their ass. |
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| Author: | Clozer [ Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:36 pm ] |
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Quote: Hey Clozer, do you every step right in front of a girl to block her path when you start talking to her?
Hey Billionaire. No, I don't try to surprise people or be overly aggressive. However, this is a good point here. If you stand too much to the side and talk in a normal volume voice MOST women will walk away, ignore you or not even hear you. When you try to stop an oncoming women from the side with a normal voice volume this kind of body language emotes that you are not confident. What works best is if you approach them and come in adjacent to them so that half your body is in their forward path. The next point is to speak a slightly higher than normal voice volume and YOU MUST FEEL CONFIDENT WHEN YOU SPEAK. This kind of body language exudes confidence yet is not intimidating or overly aggressive. Usually after I've stopped them I stand next to them shoulder to shoulder in a slight V shape. This exudes a non-threatening friendly position. There are actually a lot of intricate factors on where to stand, where to pick up women when doing street pick up, and how to move your body when picking picking up women. I could write a short book about it. This is all related to something called spacial psychology.
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