When I first got there, I sat there and think superiorly like what have they done to impress me? Why should I even be trying to impress these girls in the
first place?

I don't think that coming up with some stupid opener is
even the point. I think it is a clash of personalities.

Even when what they're saying isn't entirely dumb, it becomes dumb after about 10 seconds. I don't think their brains are as capable as a male
brain. Is this what it is supposed to be like?

I wouldn't have known what to say even if I wanted to, which I didn't really care to.

Also, this makes me wonder about the thing about how displaying disinterest is a good thing, but in that case, even going out in the first place
shows some interest. Otherwise, you would just be sitting at home.

After a while, I grew completely unimpressed with every girl there (even the hot ones) and hated the fact that they have enough other guys telling
them that they are worth so much that they never realize that they might not be.

At one point, I had the attitude of "what girl in here even deserves to have my balls in her mouth," and I feel like it comes across. And it made me
think about that guy Steve P. from the books who had girls paying him to give him head.

Yet at the same time, I am still shy. And to be honest, even if the hottest girl in the world were sitting across from me with her legs spread, licking
her lips and doing a "come hither" with her finger, I still probably would not know what to say to her.

It also struck me how important it is to cross the "social hook point" with other
guys and how easy that actually is. That makes girls like you more when they see you can socialize with other guys.

I noticed that I am no more or less shy around an ugly girl than a hot girl. The hotness doesn't affect me that much. At one point, I was walking through
a small space and this girl (hot), I think stuck her butt out just to see if I would avoid it or walk into it. I walked into it and our butts touched.
That felt good. I am not afraid to touch a hot girls butt.

I also got to thinking about "dynamic social homeostasis" and thinking "why would these girls want to know me?" How would I add to their "survival?"
What could I offer them?

I also noticed that I have to be less introverted. I sat there most of the time writing notes on my phone that I knew I would type when I got back home.

No matter how cool or disinterested I can act at times, every now and then, I just look at an ass in tight shorts and know that I need/want that.

Also, I go out alone. Maybe it would be easier if I found a wing.

I noticed other guys getting kino from hot girls (touching their chest or whatever) and thought how good that would feel and how much I want it.

I am still shy. There is no denying it. I want to and wish I could and knew how to get over it. Yet, I have a lot of anger underneath it.

All in all, it may have seemed uneventful on the surface, but in my head, I think a lot may have changed and I may have learned a lot... even though I didn't talk to a single girl the whole time...

I was able to look a few in the eye for a few seconds here and there...

Who said you should be trying to impress them? I don't try to impress girls. The rule I try to follow is to say what I want and not care what they think.

What are you looking for? If it's just a one night stand who cares too much about the personality? I know a dumb blonde would suit me just fine for a one night stand.

Again, what are you looking for? There are intelligent women out there if that's what you want.
What's the point of even going out then? If you want to get laid you have to talk to them, there's no way around that. What you say to them is all up to you. If they turn you on you can tell them that they turn you on. You can tell them what about them turns you on. Who cares what they think?
Exactly. There's nothing wrong with showing interest. Acting disinterested when you're not is dishonest.

Worth what? What are we talking about? If a girl is good looking then she is good looking. How does this correlate to value or worth?
So what? Your attitude didn't get you laid, did it? To put it bluntly this is just mind masturbation.
Again, say what you want. It's not that hard.
You're caring what they think. You don't need to socialize with other guys if you don't care what they think.
This is good. I believe I treat all women the same. Hot ones I might put a bit more effort into trying to pick up but fundamentally I don't change the way I go about things with them or anything. Some guys lose their minds with hot girls for some reason.
You're thinking too much. Don't worry about what the girls what. Only worry about what you want.
Heh, I write notes on my phone as well. I feel like it can be a bad habit.
That's good! Look all you like and let them catch you looking! Screw appearing disinterested. Girls like a man who know what he wants.
Maybe. I go out alone too but I manage to do approaches and have varying degrees of success.
Well, you can have it. First step would be to get out of your head and get yapping a bit to some hotties!

What sort of anger? Why are you angry?
Well, going out is better than not going out. At some point you have to do something though.
That's something at least.

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From what I've gathered I think you have the potential to be quite a good PUA. You've just got to work out what you want and go for it. The fact you're not putting women up on a pedestal helps immensely but you can't go the other way and put them down in the sewers either. So, sort out your inner game a bit and next time you go out you might actually start doing some shit!

Good luck.

I guess you have to impress them at some point. Otherwise, why would they want to be with you?

But I still have not the
first clue what to say to girls. Maybe.... "hi."

Hmm, I would forget about the word "impress". It's too strong.

The first thing you have to do is make them feel comfortable being around with you. That's the primary thing. If they're not comfortable being around you they will not feel attracted to you. Comfort leads to attraction.

Secondly, I have a theory that attraction builds attraction. If you find a girl attractive, and she likes the fact that you find her attractive, then there can be a good chance that she will find you attractive in return. Like I said before, women like men who know what they want. If you express to a woman that you want her then I think that alone can get the ball rolling to her feeling attracted to you - as long as she's comfortable that is.

It's not about trying to impress them. It's you finding a woman who likes you for "you". Women want someone they can trust and have a good time with. Once they detect that you're full of shit because you were merely trying to impress them then it's pretty much all over red rover.

So much emphasis is put into worth and value in the pick up community and I think it's a load of crap. For instance, you don't want a gold digger who will use you for your money so why brag about your financial status as a way of demonstrating value?

Value means all sorts of things to different people. What one woman may like about you another may not. So why try to define things in value?

You shouldn't be angry that you need to impress women because you don't need to impress them. All you need to do is make them feel comfortable and earn their respect. And respect is a two way street, so if you don't respect the woman you're with move on to the next one. Women respect a man who respects himself. So, to sum up, "respect" for yourself is about the only value you need to demonstrate and "impress" them with.
That would be a start. Or you could say "I don't know what to say". I've said that. A couple of weeks ago I opened with "I hope I don't go to a brothel tonight".

You can open with anything within reason. You just have to open. Getting the conversation going, making the woman feel comfortable, and escalating sexually is where you need to put the real effort in.

And she stopped me right there and introduced me to everyone she knew.....

And that's why some people's only strategy to pick up is to get drunk.

I tend to have one or two drinks when I go out nowadays. Sometimes I don't like it though as it can actually make me feel tired and demotivated to do anything. I've never been fully drunk though and have no idea how I would act being drunk.

The key thing when you're drunk is that you don't care what others think. If you can incorporate that attitude into when you're sober as well then you will start getting somewhere.

Not really sure where to start here...

First off, you need to change your mindset. Totally. Stop looking at the negative sides of women. You don't even KNOW these women but yet you're making a whole load of judgement. Stop it. These people lead complex lives, most of them do GOOD, and you have done nothing to DESERVE a woman's affection if you sit down at the bar and stare for the whole evening.

Secondly, you said you ready "all the books"? You are exaggerating to the extreme. Look up on the forum or whatever books you allegedly read, and find at least 20 openers used. Write them down IN THIS THREAD. Start thinking about which ones fit you best and I will personally help to choose.

I will answer this right now, but answer it better in a few days..... all the openers in the book are like "hey do you think it's cheating if a girl makes out with another girl?".... okay maybe I should just use that....

openers I used tonight.... "hey can I bum a cigarette?.... and then ask them what they do and tell them I'm about to have a book published on amazon.... and ask them if they're religious (because that's what the book is about).....

And, you're right... I have done nothing to deserve any of these girls.... I agree with you.... if I did, I would have one..... no argument.... nature works itself out that way....

I will answer this right now, but answer it better in a few days..... all the openers in the book are like "hey do you think it's cheating if a girl makes out with another girl?".... okay maybe I should just use that....

openers I used tonight.... "hey can I bum a cigarette?.... and then ask them what they do and tell them I'm about to have a book published on amazon.... and ask them if they're religious (because that's what the book is about).....

And, you're right... I have done nothing to deserve any of these girls.... I agree with you.... if I did, I would have one..... no argument.... nature works itself out that way....

Bumming a cigarette is NOT a good opener by the way. I'd suggest you come up with some TEMPLATE ideas that you can adapt to suit the specific situation. Your openers should be funny/interesting and you need to do your best to get into a good, fun mood when delivering.

I did better in today's field report from the mall if you want to check that out...

Btw... what do you think of my party boat idea?

I think you should post your openers before I respond.

But let's make it even easier. Post 5 of the best openers you've read, then come up with 5 openers of your own.

I'm waiting for those openers.