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| Author: | OrionM [ Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | A near-perfect sarge. But was blown out at the last minute. |
So Saturday night I was at this party, peacocked in this big pirate hat and a loud vest. I barely knew anyone there, but I walked in and wherever I was, I commanded the room. According to my friend's account, people were talking about me non-stop when I wasn't around. "Where's the pirate?!" "That pirate dude's crazy, man." My target was an HB9 named Haley. Short, Lebanese, Aspiring Plastic Surgeon. It was Haley's birthday. Throughout the course of the night, I set myself apart by being cocky/funny and negging her while all the other men were worshiping her hot-birthday-girl-ness. We also started building an emotional connection as well, as we talked about her life goals. As far as I was concerned, this girl was in the bag. But somewhere along the line, I fucked up. In retrospect this is what I surmised. I can think of two (or three) major mistakes I made: 1. I let her drink from my bottle of smirnov. (Birthday shots. However, early on, I did make her qualify herself for more pulls. "Give me three reasons why you deserve another pull. And they can't be about your appearance. Looks are common." She was qualifying like crazy after that) Giving her alcohol, I feel may have lowered my social value. 2. I was getting IOI's left and right, and I decided to isolate her. I told her "Come here" and guided here into an empty room. From here, I ran "The Cube" on her, and initiated Kino by having her hold my hands. She was loving it. Laughing and smiling as I analyzed her personality. Where I fucked up was with the Horse [for those unfamiliar with what I'm talking about, just look up "The Cube". It's a cold reading technique that Style popularized in his book, The Game]. She told me the horse was outside the room, eating grass. While analyzing her responses, without thinking, I said "So this horse, your ideal man, isn't in the room." My opinion is that, at that point, she disengaged. I had basically told her, while she was in a semi-hypnotic state, that I was not the man she was looking for. Bad move. Afterwards, her friends were wanting to leave, so I said, "You seem alright. What steps can we take to continue this conversation?" She awkwardly avoided eye contact and said, "What? Are you trying to ask for my phone number?" I honestly didn't know how to respond. Most guru's say you should never ask for her phone number, but rather lead her to give you hers on her own. So when she said that, I simply replied "I don't know" My third fuck-up. By then, her friends began assimilating her and they were soon out the door. My target was gone. Anyways, I want to know what you guys think. Am I right in picking out these 3 flaws? Or was it something else? |
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| Author: | Hunter_Foxe [ Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: A near-perfect sarge. But was blown out at the last minu |
If this is a troll post, well done, you got me. If this is for real, i hate to be the one to tell you that "The Game" is not a pickup guide, it's the partially fabricated (albeit amusing) memoirs of a rock writer who had been exposed to the pickup community about 10 years ago. What did you do wrong? You failed when you ran out of rehearsed material. Stop rehearsing conversations and let it flow more naturally. Canned material is fine for openers but once you've got her hooked you need to escalate physically. Kiss, touch, eye contact etc. If you ask for her number without building a physical connection, of course you're going to get blown out. It wasn't anywhere near perfect and you have much to learn. But keep trying and keep learning and you're sure to improve. |
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| Author: | OrionM [ Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: A near-perfect sarge. But was blown out at the last minu |
Definitely not claiming The Game is a definitive guide in any way. Just siting where I got it from. I wasn't running routines entirely, either. I'd say it was definitely a mixture of routine and natural game. But yeah, I'd say I definitely have a way to go, hence looking to you guys for advice. |
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| Author: | Hunter_Foxe [ Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: A near-perfect sarge. But was blown out at the last minu |
You didn't get physical enough. Did you use heavy eye contact, did you touch her a lot, did you attempt to kiss her.? You didn't make your sexual intentions clear, so she thought you were just a super fun guy, just not a fuckable one. |
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| Author: | OrionM [ Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: A near-perfect sarge. But was blown out at the last minu |
Yeah, the only physical contact was the hand-holding during the Cube routine. I did make sure to maintain eye contact however. How do you recommend escalating physically? |
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| Author: | Hunter_Foxe [ Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: A near-perfect sarge. But was blown out at the last minu |
Take her hand when you lead her away. Touch her at every opportunity. Look at one eye then the other, then look at her mouth. Rinse, repeat. When she looks at your mouth, it's on. Kiss her without explanation. I usually don't even wait for her to look at my mouth if we're vibing well. Pull her in towards you, it's less threatening than invading her space and it also shows you can lead. |
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| Author: | OrionM [ Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: A near-perfect sarge. But was blown out at the last minu |
Good stuff. I like the leading her into you, instead of going in, yourself. Makes sense. I need to work on Kino escalation for sure. Now you seem to be pretty opposed to routines. I, however, think they work well to fill in gaps, and to open sets, especially for beginners like myself. Would you say that there's some room for them, or are they an absolute evil as far as you're concerned? |
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| Author: | Hunter_Foxe [ Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: A near-perfect sarge. But was blown out at the last minu |
I personally don't use them, but if they're working for you, keep using them. I generally think canned routines are ok for openers then after that you should carry on the conversation with something more natural. Some beginners prefer routines, I never bothered even as a beginner because it didn't suit my personality and I couldn't remember all the lines (lol). |
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| Author: | Swage [ Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: A near-perfect sarge. But was blown out at the last minu |
We could say where you fucked up but i can tell you where you did well, you successfully isolated a highly prized target. you isolated the birthday girl. You did something that everyone in that room was trying to do but with ease and a different way pat your self on the back for that. She was there to teach you a lesson, next time you wont make those same mistakes you did before. Course correction is key! And routines do work but you cant depend too much on routines. You do need a natural feel to the situation and routines are good to use to further you in your connection. Like how you used the routines to go kino. if the horse is outside include yourself as the prize lol.. |
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