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| Author: | manchin [ Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | natural to pro |
After diligent research, I decided to toss my old "natural" game aside and try out my new technology, my DHV spikes, new, scripted body language, C&F (which I initially interpreted to be Cut & Flirt - Neg and Reward - Being a lovable asshole? still not sure) and... It turns out, I read the manual and overcompensated, came off as eager and stumbled through three sets while grocery shopping, closing none where I feel as though my old "natural" game would have probably number closed two. On the upside, I really feel as though today was the day I joined the cognoscenti as a PUA who analyzes his actions through a scientific lens. It is suddenly necessary to step outside the conversation and define a strong frame; lead the conversation and... push buttons like a video game. Anyway, as I plan to open at least twenty sets between now and tomorrow, I'm somewhat at a loss for "material" that feels organic, personal and fluent - I should really start keeping a diary. |
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| Author: | xxIcexx [ Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:05 pm ] |
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Maybe I read it too fast, but why would you want to get rid of your natural game and use all the canned shit? From the start I never liked using all that opinion stuff and all the routine nonsense. I am glad it works for others, but I feel really fake using it. |
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| Author: | Mclaren2012 [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:28 am ] |
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I know i'm not a PUA yet, but i do know that if you use canned material, it gets old and everyone starts to know what your doing. Why don't you try being yourself, uniting that canned material but put it through your own filter so it sounds liek something you would say, not somethign Mystery or another pUA would say |
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| Author: | x3dxFox [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:54 pm ] |
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As a natural who uses some of these methods, I have to ask, why would you drop your natural game?Use the information/routines on this site as a catalyst and you will be pure gold. Remember canned routines are just there until you get into the state of mind where you become a synthesized natural. |
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| Author: | Spark [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:51 pm ] |
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Quote: After diligent research, I decided to toss my old "natural" game aside and try out my new technology, my DHV spikes, new, scripted body language, C&F (which I initially interpreted to be Cut & Flirt - Neg and Reward - Being a lovable asshole? still not sure) and...
It turns out, I read the manual and overcompensated, came off as eager and stumbled through three sets while grocery shopping, closing none where I feel as though my old "natural" game would have probably number closed two. On the upside, I really feel as though today was the day I joined the cognoscenti as a PUA who analyzes his actions through a scientific lens. It is suddenly necessary to step outside the conversation and define a strong frame; lead the conversation and... push buttons like a video game. Anyway, as I plan to open at least twenty sets between now and tomorrow, I'm somewhat at a loss for "material" that feels organic, personal and fluent - I should really start keeping a diary. I feel like a bit of an arrogant bastard for quoting myself, but this is a post I made the other day that I think will hit home for you. "For anyone that has a good deal of inner game, I implore you to take this message to heart. I went out this evening and decided to use a bunch of canned lines that I pulled from the forum and some of the books I've been reading. The trouble was, the canned lines felt very forced. I was concentrating more on the lines themselves and not her reactions or my environment. Needles to say, I crashed and burned. So, I opened another set, same problem. The key point that I realized was missing was transition and eventual hook. Since the focus was on the line, after the line ran its course, I hit a mental block. I tried a variety of openers and with all of the it felt forced and awkward. I prefer the art of just starting conversations by making an observation. Anyone who has a solid inner game should avoid canned lines and work on on-the-spot openers. It will be more comfortable than trying to remember a script, it will make transitions easier and more fluid and it will all you the freedom of leaving at any point instead of feeling trapped. Bottom line: if you have the right mindset and have great inner game, don't use the canned material, forge your own path!" |
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| Author: | manchin [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | On "Canned" Material |
First, I appreciate your self quoting and don't find it excessively arrogant especially when I am a newbie in the forum. I would like to take this opportunity to thank Spark for an enlightening post. Next, my current Spontaneous Situational game (did I just make that shit up?) is great, but I never considered the kind of challenge that the PUA community offers me: the 545 club. I was doing well friday night, !closed after almost going 242 kiss closing with my natural game, but I couldn't help but think about the vault of ideas that this community has presented me with. The first girl was an HB8 in a purple teeshirt at the door of the nightclub, I approached without a verbal opener and went straight to kino after an eyeOI that I wasn't expecting: I guess walking across the velvet rope at a word and the girl on my arm were enough social proof for this one. My thanks to the community for advising me to approach within the first few seconds: now I approach on the count of three and it short circuits my FMR, which I still struggle with. Anyway, after leading her to the bar, my canned story was boring and she was trailing off, so as she looked away I opened another HB8 standing behind me at the bar, keeping one eye open for my pivot who should really have come over and done some wingwork for me, but she was busy gaming a promoter to get us a table. I had already number closed the first and was now ready to take the new acquisition, really to later be used as a second pivot for me, to the VIP. Thankfully, an AFC friend of mine did his job and dutifully escorted the new girl off at the exact time that the HBPurple arrived on the scene, and I switched modalities and went back to good old natural Manchin. Some witty banter mixed with some triangular gazing and a few good laughs, saw HBPurple qualifying herself. We danced a little bit, which I took as an opportunity to escalate the kino. I then made an inadvertent isolation move after leading her while dancing into being lightly bumped by another AFC who I dismissed harshly, pulling her close to me for protection and we all laughed about it, me, the girl, and my new AFC "friend" who gave me some extra social proof before I dismissed him and took her to a quieter corner. I still couldn't remember the kino escalation ladder and after the AFC broke my frame, a great song came on and we danced to a reggae set for six to eight minutes. I felt ready to kiss close, and the champagne was vanishing from the promoter's table, so I tried the kino escalation ladder pattern, but I couldn't remember the steps in order but she seemed turned on anyway so I decided to try the "would you like to kiss me?" close. She laughed at me and said maybe, so I leaned in and planted my own variation of the "Hitch" kiss, (in which you go 90% of distance, and wait for the return kiss, mine goes 99%, retreats, waits for the chase response and then goes for it.) I made out with her for a few minutes, and having already number closed, I wanted to timebridge and go have fun with my friends, so I made up the excuse that I was going to go to the VIP and get her a wristband, which was a lie, because I could have just walked her in. The other girl in the VIP didn't seem too thrilled, but it didn't matter, because she wasn't really here with the rest of us for the occasion, and all my friend wanted to do was leave with the girl he thought he picked up, so we all jumped into the truck where HBPurple couldn't keep her hands off me and I made out with her some more while driving down Park Ave South to the second club where I relaxed and got to know her a bit more in the smoking section. At this time I would like to ask anyone who knows how to make me not like cigarettes anymore to help me. I want to quit logically for health reasons, but I really just enjoy smoking. I'm going to light one up right now just to do it. I really need help with this area of my life, but I'm really conflicted because I like cigarettes. When we left, I was feeling a bit cocky, having known the girl for about three hours now, so I decided to try to fuck close, against the eight hour rule (or is it 7?) We went to the other girl's house where I coffee-closed her for my wing and I fuck closed miss purple on my new pivot's pink sheets. Any advice is appreciated, I'm always learning. To sum up the new Augmented Spontaneous Situational game: I still don't really know what the fuck I'm doing, but I really want the "unnatural" game to help me when I hit my sticking points: the first three minutes for DHV, phase shifting, and I really want to learn anchoring and some of the other really devious shit. -Manchin |
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| Author: | x3dxFox [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: On "Canned" Material |
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At this time I would like to ask anyone who knows how to make me not like cigarettes anymore to help me. I want to quit logically for health reasons, but I really just enjoy smoking. I'm going to light one up right now just to do it. I really need help with this area of my life, but I'm really conflicted because I like cigarettes.
-Manchin Have you tried hypnosis? It's the only reason I was able to stop, now every time I think about smoking I just feel wrong, completely dirty and sick. That feeling was enough for me to stop. |
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