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Author:  FIKSHEN [ Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:32 am ]
Post subject:  Looking for new Housemate FR
I've got an awesome place here. And I put an add out for it, and basically got like 60+ people call up or email saying they're interested.

11am. HB:8 comes around to check out the place. I'm super picky on who moves in so I screen. I want a living walking DHV to move in.

She texts me saying "Hi I am interested in the place can you send me the address"

I text saying "Say please :)"

She doesn't so I said "kiddng. Its xyz."

She takes her shoes off when she comes in.

What do you do for fun? She likes the beach.

I run idendity. I love travel, and I've always wanted to do somethiong where I can travel, which is what I am doing now. I'm a supervisor at work.

I tell her Ill get back to her cause a lot of people are interested. I qualify saying "she is fun, kind of"

(I've qualified, attraction is assumed, and I have comfort, all I have to do now is bounce).

I text her 6pm saying "I gave it to someone else, but come around I'm watching some old seinfeld re-runs"

She says "okey"

She gets here, and there's alot of other people at the door. I miss the hug cause I thought they were her friends. She came alone (IOI).

She comes into the apartment. I go for the hug saying sorry I gave it to someone else. She backs away. I don't really punish, I just sit down.

Anyway I say "I thought you were cute, and I wanted to get to know you better"

"I couldnt stop thinking about you all day. There's something about you. Its weird"

I show her my photos. ("if my friend ever got into trouble I'd do anything to help him, and he'd do the same for me" "I'm a supervisor at work, here's me with the supervisors. The workers are in green" "Is that your gf?" "Yeah thats my last gf" "She's pretty").

She's getting turned on I can see by her nipple reaction.

However, there's no kino here. And its becomming difficult to escalate. I also forget to seed the kiss "I'm going to try and kiss you in a minute, but thats just so wrong"

She says she better get going. I try for the lets go bowling right now, but thats a no go. She puts her shoes on. I say to her "you better go" And I show her the way out.

I say "Give me a hug" She does "That's enough"

Then she says "Give me a call"

I said "I'll give you a call wednesay at 7pm" (which I won't do)

More comfort? More attraction? More kino.

I was surprised how easily she qualified. Your fun, kind of.

Minuses:

Hesistated when I thought those randomers where her friends. Should have hugged her anyway.

Went for the hug after. But then should have punished when she didnt comply.

There's no C/F. Its all off attraction switches. Any ideas on what to do next...
Author:  youpli [ Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:34 pm ]
Post subject: 
Thanks for this interesting field report. My opinion below.

I would not have sent the first text "say please :) "
The problem of that is you barely know her. So, you don't really know how she will react. And the only way to solve the problem if she does not take it well is then to say "just kidding" and give her the address... By doing so, you play by her rules, which you don't want. In a word, she got the address and did not say please... In a way, am afraid she won...

I lost a girl on the internet for the same reason. I barely knew her and went for a "are you being blonde?" which she were. She did not take it as a funny joke. :) and was kinda mad actually.

As a general rule, I'd say these jokes are much easier face to face than on the internet/text, cause you don't have the tone of the voice, the body language to show you being C/F.... If you really want to play it hard, you can do it, but add three smileys instead of one eg "Say please :) :) :) :p". However, I would not answer back until she answers, if I decide to play it the hard way.

I guess the problem is that YOU put yourself in a situation where clearly you show you're interested... Maybe that can work in that situation but it is not consistent game to me, meaning it can work sometimes but not all the time, not with all women. For example: "I thought you were cute, and I wanted to get to know you better". In her mind, it means that:
1. you put her as the prize, which you don't want. You want your value to be above hers.... So put yourself as the prize... all the time.
2. you tell her you want her (cause she reads between lines) and that puts too much pressure too quickly w/o having built comfort and confidence.

That being said, I believe she is definitely not lost. I would not contact her at all for a few days/weeks and then text her "what about DVD at my place and we can bet who offers the pizza? :) :p" or "I go in a bar with friends on ***day, what about you come, BUT we pretend we don't know each other?"

Agreed, you should have hugged her.
Should have punished as well... or I would have tried a freeze out to be honest (mark your surprise for a sec, then deception for one/two sec, change your body language, cross your arms, pout a bit, check your mobile but that would work only if she is isolated).
Be C/F with the texts as above... Should work, if that does not work, don't spend too much time on her, plenty of women down here.
Author:  FIKSHEN [ Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:43 am ]
Post subject: 
Thanks man..

I didnt get this till now.

After writing the FR.... I thought I could do some dirty text. Just cause I thought I could get away with it, and to push things along a bit.

11pm (Same day): "If you were here I'd spank you for being such a bad girl. Too bad your friends are around." Send.

11:03pm: "I'm not a bad person. I'm just a person interested in the house."

11:06: "Your cool. Your cool. My bad."

I'm thinking this is a disaster right about now. Not that I really care, I literally just met her that morning. I could have plowed on with the sexual framing, something like, "you are a good girl, but your bad for me." But thought she might have started to build resistance against it. So I dropped it. I'll probably leave it a week, and try again later...
Author:  yogaballfairy [ Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:52 pm ]
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No please just stop. Youre just butchering everything. She probably thinks your a total creep/stalker right now id stop contacting her in anyway or shes gonna call the police probably. You definetely came on way too fast and creepy and dont send those weird ass texts again.
Author:  FIKSHEN [ Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:34 am ]
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I see what you're saying. There's no problem with sending dirty text (See El Topo). I got laid off one recently. I've done it big time before, but she wasn't ready for it. usually they just laugh and it becomes a part of the frame. Its like sexual framing, was what i was trying to do here. Wrong thing though..
Author:  yogaballfairy [ Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:42 am ]
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You didnt build any comfort or anything so you probably came off as a creep
Author:  FIKSHEN [ Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:05 am ]
Post subject: 
Thanks for your comment.

I see it like, I had a lot of comfort. I spoke to her cumulative for about 1hr and 1/2. Almost 2 hrs. I went through my photos, I had built identity. I went through the main attraction switches, which is built into my comfort. I had isolation with her the whole time. So she felt comfortable enough to bounce to my apartment alone.

What I should have done was wait like cardinal said a few days or a week. And phone.

Instead, I sent a dirty text, which I shouldn't have done. I dont think she'll judge me for that as being creepy or anything. She just didnt accept the frame. And thats all it amounts to. I think if she had thought it was creepy she would have just deleted. But she replied basically saying she wasn't a bad person. And then I dropped it.
Author:  FIKSHEN [ Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:33 am ]
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Okay so after this. A Qantas Flight Attendent, checks out the place. In her uniform. HB10. Amazing personality.

I talent spotted her from an email in my inbox.

Phoned her up. Left VM. Call me back.

She calls back, and I tell her to come at xyz time.

She gets here, and immediately time constrains. I can't stay long I have to get to a flight.

Okay cool.

I show her the place, and she likes it.

I run some seinfeld jokes about flights and stuff and she laughs. Thanks seinfeld :)

We're both locked in against the kitchen counter. Although her body language is pointed toward me, so I turn toward her.

I mention that a receptionist at a 5 star hotel came to check it out earlier, and I said 'you mean the carlton hotel?' (which is a dirty pub accross the road). She laughs and said she's had a beer there once. Awesome.

Show her the pool, and she likes it. She says she's interested in the place. I say she can sign the documents. She backs away slightly. She has also mentioned the room is a bit small. But I say she can sign for 1 month or 3 months, and if she wants to stay on after that, thats cool, or if she wants to leave thats cool too. She likes this, and says she'll call me tonight.

She doesnt.

I figure correctly at the time that she won't cause she doesn't want to IOI me to give me the 'wrong message,' or she has AA about calling. Plus if she can't talk to me on the phone, then she cant possibly live with me.

Now, I'm left with a few options. Call. Text. Or Wait. If I wait she won't call, and she'll call the next day to say no.

If I call, thats an overall IOI, and why would I IOI her? Then I'd have to qualify why I want her to move in.

I could also text, and get everything done pretty quick.

Either way she is trying to say no.

I text her same night "You rock, not as much as me, but take the place. Get back :) Johnny"

I feel like its a real horrible text. Anyway I figure she won't get back. Ill leave it a day, and call her the next day, with my full phone game stack.

I prepare for that the next morning. But in the afternoon she calls. So I'm already kind of prepared.

I use another seinfeld joke, pretty early on in the convo. She laughs. Then she says can she fit a double bed into the room. I say I haven't measured it, but you probably could.

Then I qualified her more.. saying she has a great energy, and its awesome that she works for qantas. But she's also dorky which is cool.

Then I tell her to come on monday, and sign up for a month, and if she doesn;t like it she can jet no problem. I time constrain and say I've got to get going. I DHV by saying im the organiser in a group of 30 people and I want to grow it to 100.

Then she says she'll get back........

Thoughts?
Author:  speed-bird [ Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:47 am ]
Post subject: 
If you're trying to shag this girl, then convincing her to move in is the last thing you should be trying to do. Any old dork will do for a roommate, your job is to get HB10s into the apartment, DHV yourself, and DLV the place after a while. Just keep them long enough to game them and have a time bridge set up for a second meeting.

Also, I dunno where you're based but if it's outside Australia then it's a good bet that the flight attendant is off on a long haul flight and is going to be out of cellphone reach for long periods.
Author:  FIKSHEN [ Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:59 am ]
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Sweet.

She just texted me and said 'she would love to move in. If I'm happy with her. Can I send her info on the bond and stuff'

I texted her back saying okay awesome. Here's my bank details when do you want to move in. Cheers J.

Oh yeah, she's a domestic flights person...

Holy shit.. any pointers on how to live with a freakin 10.

Spose to treat her like my sister. I do have one... I've got to be super good to her man... My objective is to turn her into a friend.
Author:  yogaballfairy [ Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:14 pm ]
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plz plz plzzzz dont move fast in this. Take it really slow because ur living with her itll be so easy anyways. When youre given a chance like u got theres almost no way to screw it up unless u have a terrible personality.
Author:  travis8907 [ Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:22 am ]
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i would not have said " im going to kiss you in a minute" i wouls have said ok so my friend showed me this really ool thing the other day, tell her to hold your hands, then run the cube test on her *** if she wont hold your hands then do a freeze out. then look at her after your done, dont say anything, if she holds a stare go in for the kiss. if not. its not time yet.
my opinion though
Author:  FIKSHEN [ Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:03 am ]
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yeah, that'd work. I dont actually know the cube. I never done it.

Im no expert. But I was thinking its like a prep. If she doesnt say anything then your good to go, thats passive acceotance of frame. If she battles it, then neg. Its like going in more direct.

Its like Sinn uses I'm going to try to get into your pants. Or. "Its my job to try to get into your pants, its your job to stop me. I'm just betting you won't want to."
Author:  FIKSHEN [ Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:33 am ]
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So I got back to the original girl on the phone today. (Nice multiple threading). I left it an entire week. Then I called today Wednesday at aorund 7:40ish.

Full phone game stack. Open, "Hey its Johnny." time constrained. used the attract material. Qualified. We kinda like each other, and you seem interesting to me, like down to earth, and non-judgmental. false time contraint as a takeaway (the least weird takeaway). Breezed into comfort after this. Went like a dream.

Talked about my new housemate DHV. Then I said she's got a flight tonight, and won't be back till midnight. I got a friend coming over now to cook (Thats some BS I threw in). But gotta go.

She goes "When are you going to call me back"

"Maybe tomorrow."

Sweet. That shit really works. Phone game is definitely a tsicking point of mine cause I get mad AA with it. But I'm getting over that now. Cause I'm always switched on, like all through the day. Always staying really verbal with everything. On the bus, everywhere.

Only problem is its valentines day. BUT, I dont want HB10Qantas to see me with no date, which is my real motivation for reviving the old one.
Author:  AK47 [ Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:19 pm ]
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knowing flight attendants, she must have some flight attendant friends :D :twisted:
if u wanna read up on cube here u go :
Quote:
XFMAN wrote this: For all of you asking about the cube, here it is the complete routine with a small variation of how to add some cold reading.

Hi man there are many variations of the cube, you can make it more sexual , you can throw more bullshit or just perform some cold reading.

Here is the simplest way or the basic routine of the cube: (http://www.cejuice.com/2006/06/cube-gam ... nique.html)

What is the Cube Game ?
The cube game is a cold reading technique. By asking a few questions you are able to give the impression you have a deep understanding of a girl. The cube game builds rapport.

I've run the Cube on several women, and it's never failed to amaze them. Usually it gives a good approximate idea of the person. Very efficient. Good fun too.

The Game
Prepare your victim (the girl) by building up the game. Ask her if she's sure she wants to do this, tell her she may find out things about herself that she doesn't want to know. You can then start to ask the questions; for her part she should give you as much detail as she can.

Imagine this simple picture with just three things in it: the sky, the horizon and the desert.

In this picture imagine a cube, where is it ? What is it made of ? How big is it ?

Now add a ladder, where is it ? What is it made of ? How big is it ? How many rungs are there ? Where is it in relation to the cube ?

Add some flowers to the picture, how many are there ? What kind ?, where are they in relation to the cube and the ladder ?

Add a horse to the picture, where is it ? What color is it ? What is it doing ? How many rungs, where is it in relation to everything else ?

There's a storm in the picture. Where is it ?, Which way is it proceeding ? What kind of storm ? How big is it ?

Interpreting the Results

The Cube - Is how the girl views herself.

The Color of the Cube -> Click Here

The Ladder - Friends and family.

The Flowers - Children in her life.

The Horse - Her lover or ideal lover.

The Storm - Troubles in her life.

The questions should be asked in the correct order (Cube, Ladder, Flowers, Horse, Storm). Interpret the picture in that order after she has finished answering all the questions. You interpret the questions individually and their relationship with the other pieces of the picture.

The possible interpretations below are just examples, you may adjust these to fit in with what you already know about the girl. They are fairly vague and could almost apply to anyone.

The Cube - Herself

Small cube - feels small, ignored.

On the ground - well grounded.

In the sky - imaginative, un-realistic.

Far away - feels left behind.

Transparent - purity.

The Ladder - Friends

Many rungs - many friends.

Few rungs - few close friends.

Far away from cube - keeps her friends at arms length.

Ladder bigger than cube - feels small in her social circle.

Ladder against cube - keeps her friends close.

The Flowers - Children

Number of flowers - number of children she wants to have around.

Flowers far away - does not want children.

Flowers close to cube - Feels very close to the children she has or will have.

Beautiful flowers - finds children very beautiful.

The Horse - Lover

Strong, large horse - She likes protective strong men.

Horse far away - Ideal man far away.

Weak horse - Envisions being stuck with a weak man.

Horse with flowers - Ideal man loves children.

The Storm - Trouble

Storm in distance - troubles are far away.

Storm close - going through hard times now.

Small storm - no real troubles in life.

Here are a few examples of how to impress the girls just telling them true things and adding some cold reading (if you don't know what is call reading or you want to learn more send me a pm asking).

XFman: Okay girl lets play a game.

HB10: sure

Xfman: Okay close your eyes think you are in a desert (highway forest any place will work. )
Now you see a cube, How big is ? How tall ? Is it flying ? laying on the ground? How far is from your perspective?

HB: is really big and tall is flying, about 2mts from ground and is like 4mts away from me.

(Answer: how big or tall is the size of her ego, flying or in the ground is how she think , she has a lot of imagination or she think more logical. how far is the cube form her is how close or far she is with her inner self)

*Note: Check how Im going to add some extra details about the girl by using some cold reading lines.

Xfman: Wow, Lets see. Your cube is big and tall, that is the size of your ego, so you have a big ego but you see yourself as a nice person, you always try to be positive but sometimes you feel down when bad things happen, Then; your cube is flying that means you are a creative person you are a thinker, not always but you like to imagine , I bet that sometimes when you go out with a boy, you start thinking how the date is going to be, And i can forgot, I also bet that you have all ready thought how your wedding is going to be. Now you told me that your cube is far fro you that is because sometimes you feel away from your inner you, you have doubts about what to do, sometimes you might feel insecure.

She might be impressed or she might think that is just bullshit but who cares she will want you to tell her more about her.

That is just a variation of the cube I just made out , in this link you can have the basic and try to add more of your own just think logical on what the description can mean.

And just a quick plus: tell her to describe the outside part of the cube and the inside part of the cube (the texture , etc... ) The outside part is the way she acts, the person she tries to be or appear to others and the inside is the really way she is.

Most of the time they will say the outside is hard and the inside is soft and smooth so you can just say , you try to be hard , but in the inside you still have your feelings, or when you meet someone is hard to this new person to learn about this really you but once a person is inside and start learning about your real you , he don't want to leave. Good luck any question just send me a PM.

------------------------------- this is the end of the post-----------------------

But if you want to learn more of the cube routine read this:

Ask the questions in the proper order (Cube, ladder, flowers,
horse, storm - in that order); interpret the picture in the same
order, and only AFTER she has imagined the entire picture (all five
pieces mentioned above). Heck, you might even hold on to some of it to
ensure a followup encounter. ("I need to think more about some of the
features of your horse. Will let you know when I have an
interpretation that I feel makes sense."). Some here on ASF may
disagree with some of the interpretations, but that's okay; I think if
an interpretation makes sense to me, it is probably correct.
There are two components to the interpretation of each of the five
pieces: the piece in itself, and its relation to the other pieces as
well as the overall picture. The sizes and positions of various things
are RELATIVE to one another and to the overall scene of the desert.
Moreover, the interpretations are not according to some rigid law,
they are just ways to make sense out of the woman's imagined picture,
but that is the best part because as far as we are concerned here in
ASF, that flexibility allows us to interpret things in a way that
helps the seduction (a negative interpretation is a neg-hit! You can
include small negative inperpretations whenever necessary, while
generally giving a reasonably sensible interpretation overall).
1. THE CUBE:
Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:
Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]
2. THE LADDER:
Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
fucked up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circle
Ladder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally fucked up people who
are ruining themselves
3. THE FLOWERS:
Represent the place of children in her life.
Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful
4. THE HORSE:
Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).
Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]
5. THE STORM:
Represents her ideas about troubles in life.
Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep shit
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face
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