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Author:  insta3 [ Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:59 am ]
Post subject:  HB 8.5 Good gaming, but bad closing...
Last friday I was out with some friends in a bar in Montreal. We went to this kind of place where a lot of semi glamour-punk people go.

And while my friends are out in the balcony, I decided to go inside to see if there's a set I could open. And there I see her, that girl I've known for a couple of years and that I hadn't seen for more than a year. A girl who is a classical violinist but with a little touch of punkness in her. That was my target.

So, of course, I open easily and come in the set. And I pass to my DHV stories of what happened to me this last year. Ask about her stories, play a couple of my best routine with her (the cube included). And when I see enough IOI I pass to the qualification part.

At this point she had told me she had nobody in her life and the body contact was getting more and more obvious. So I start telling her about how I always liked her eyes since I could see some ingenuousness as well as some determination and goodness in her. -For that part, even if it was true at that moment, I've got to say you can tell this to almost every women and it's a winner-
Then I try something I've just learned from Adam Lyon :

PUA: You know what I like about you
HB: no?!
PUA: I've always liked you because it's easy to be around you and speak with you, but at the same time, you always have this flirty vibe that I like!
HB : Ok it might be true, but I feel that you're like this too... Actually I feel that you're always like that.
PUA: No, I'm just like this around you.

At that point I had her, it was time to close the set.. So I isolate her and this is where I screwed up !

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One of my friend had told me this routine that gave him sucess :

Friend : I want to kiss you but I don't know if it's a good idea
HB : I don't know either
Friend : Well let's try it!

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And I decided to try it, but it was a bad idea...

Me : I want to kiss you, but I don't know if it's a good idea
HB : Well... the facts that you just said it... kind of remove my desire of it..


At this point, I should have been more cool, let the tension drop and try again later... But without notice, I try right away to kiss her. And of course it, it didn't work.

So here's the moral of that story : A lot of you will probably agree with me, but usually it's never good to say clearly to a woman what you want. It's always better to suggest it!

To finish with that one, maybe some of you have some tips for me. She still told me she wanted to see me again, even if the closing was mad. So I'm still hesitating to either invite her to a day activity, or invite her right away to take a beer, which insinuate more what might happen ;)

What do you guys think?
Author:  Jeste512 [ Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:30 pm ]
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I've tried Style's kiss close routine and had tons of success with it

Me:(slight pause) "You look like you want to kiss me"
Her: "Well yeah but now it's like out there and I'm nervous!"
Me: "you'll be fine" (Move in for kiss)
Author:  Heartnet [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:17 am ]
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the part of escalation is to not verbalise the kiss. rather then ask her or just go for it. build the tension and lead into it. imagine a scale or 0-100, 0 being not sexual at all, 100 being super sexual. you want to going in gradually.

Here is a texual example, in a club, when you start your conversation, your escalation is 0. when you start to go into report, start to slow down the way you speak, start to lock in eye contact. Introduce akward pauses and just look at her with a smily face.

if the club is noisy, dont afraid to make her repeat, close up the distance.

here is a example of it in daygame. look at how Yad gradually switch up the escalation scale.



be more smooth, you dont need to verbalize everything. make it obvious, its show social intelligence also build a connection between you 2. Remember you and the girl play in the same team. you are not playing against her ;)
Author:  pumpington [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:09 am ]
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if you are going to do the MM, you might as well just use the MM kiss close

also learn what building compliance is, make a ladder for yourself and learn to trust it, if you have a whole bunch of signs, just go for it and don't worry

wtf do you think she will do if you go for a kiss and she isn't interested?, kill you?

and if you don't go for the kiss thinking ''this isn't the right time, i'm not sure'' then guess what, you get the same result as you would if you went for the kiss and it failed

if you don't know MM routine, and you can't just do it naturally after seeing compliance, then here is the MM routine

you: ''would you like to kiss me?''

then she either says,
-yes
-no
-not now/here
-something completely irrelivant

if she says yes you kiss her

if she says no you say, ''well I wasn't going to let you kiss me, you just looked like you had something on your mind''

if she says not here then you either go for it later without asking as she gave you passive permission (not now), or you say, ''come with me'' take her by the hand, lead her to somewhere else, and go for it without asking as she gave you passive permission (not here)

if she says something completely irrelivant such as an excuse that isn't yes or no and is leaning on uncertainty, then you say, ''well, lets see'' and you go for it

you should learn about frame control, and being non reactive, you could have just re-framed her comment that night and went for the kiss anyways,

You : I want to kiss you, but I don't know if it's a good idea
HB : Well... the facts that you just said it... kind of remove my desire of it..

a re-frame could be as simple as

You: So you have a desire for it (then smile and kiss her on the cheek, build her up again and just go for it without looking for her approval)

as long as you are looking for a girl to lead you, you will see less success, the more you are in reaction, the less interest you will see, stop looking for her to lead you through the unknown, and just take risks, the reward highly outweighs the risks
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