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| Author: | Sikkario [ Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Gothic Industiral Night at Uptown DanceClub MISSION FAILED |
Gothic Industrial Night at Uptown Dance Club I am The Sikkario And This Is My Report. Briefing Preparation= Short-Notice, invited by a friend from my school, martial arts club for Goth Night, eager to see what it was all about. Time: 11:00 To 1:3*? Location= An Excellent Dance Club, varies from Latin/Techno/Gothic Industrial, Uptown Across The Street From A Major University With A Tuition Of Over 40k a year. Attire= Hair, was geled to wet look and combed in a traditional manner. Black Undershirt. Black button up, black heavy coat, black slacks, black belt, black shoes. Blue Earring. Gold chain and crucifix. Chosen to match the goth scene. Player 1= Myself, 5'10, 210 lbs prolly should be more like 190. Well-built, like overripe rugby fullback. Black hair, blue eyes. White Latino Male. Player 2= My friend. 6'1 Tall and Lanky, Black hair, brown eyes. Leather jacket, attractive, athletic guy, black tight shirt, black slacks, black shoes. White Israeli Male. The Mission Infiltrate Goth Night/Meet Females I picked up my boy from the dorms, and he explained the Goth scene to me. I have no interest in becoming a Goth, but to me all scenes are the same, I like dance clubs and I like dancing. I also had no idea what Gothic Industrial would be like but was eager to check it out as, I'd heard the music and it was impressive. Enough justifying now for the field report. We got to the club and grabbed a parking spot. We entered without question and for free as my buddy has worked as a bouncer for them before. We enter the club, it is impressive with a big dance floor. My friend is interested in, “The Scene.” He introduces me to many people within the Goth Scene in there. Most of the Goths fit the description I put in my brain of, sub-par and/or unqualified. It is an elitist thing to say, but you have weird goblin looking dudes, who are 5 foot 3 inches and walk around in capes. In my estimation, it is necessary to make these distinctions to deduce who is a potential player and who is not. A lot of fat chicks were there as well, and then there is a breed of Goth chick who is pretty hot ala suicide girls. Unfortunately, there were a very small number of them at this club. Outside of those people there are individuals who didn’t really fit, there were tag alongs, those like myself who were dressed in some black but had conservative attire overall in comparison to “The Scene.” And “The Lost,” people I suppose who didn’t know it was Goth night and showed up for the Monday two dollar drinks. I never realized before but my friend was rather straight laced, and seemed overly rigid to be an optimum wingman. We split early on, as I started drinking and he had no car, so I guess he didn’t want me to drink too much, but I didn’t care. I know my own limits. After two drinks. FIRST Engagement Shortly, after two rum and cokes, I encountered the opposing force. I had sloughed my friend as he had went to speak with the DJ, I went to talk to this guy named Rocky who used to work at the same place as my sister. I was going to walk back to the bar and as I was walking back. A girl who was sitting at a two seater facing the dance floor with another girl. I made eye contact with that girl and as I walked by she turned around and looked at me (I should have smiled back maybe?) I stood by a gate for a minute and walked up to her side, and I looked at her and said. She has black hair a nice smile but was dressed like shit, jeans, and a black hoodie. “What’s your name, Miss?” (Archaic yes, but its what I say to every girl, seems to work.) She smiled. “Stephanie, yours?” “Luis.” “Louie?” “No, LOO-EES, it’s Bolivian.” “Where is that?” “It’s in South America. Between Brazil and Chile.” “Oh Okay.” “Do you come up here often.” “No, this is my first time.” “Mine, as well, I’m not into Goth, my friend dragged me up here.” “My sister invited me.” “Do you know how to dance to Gothic Industrial?” “No, I don’t.” She was smiling this whole time. “Would you like to dance?” “No.” “Why is that?” “There are so many people, here I wouldn’t want to dance front of all these people.” (I surmised maybe it was because it was just me, I was thinking of me and my friend had asked them to dance. As girls are not prone to doing things and abandoning their friends.) “I’ve go quickly, I lost my friend, would you like a drink though?” “Maybe later. I’m fine. It was good to meet you.” “You too.” SECOND Engagement I found my friend, I told him there was a girl with her sister, and he should back me up. They were at the bar, with two guys. Both total tricks. One was in khaki shorts and was about 6’3 120 lbs and the other was in some cardigan and jeans, about the same proportions. Super skinny fags, prolly some loser wage slaves they work with. My friend and I walk up. I put my hand on her sister’s shoulder. “This is my friend Adam.” “Adam this is a young lady, I just met, Sarah. She dragged her sister up to the Goth scene.” Adam begins talking to her about what school she go to blah-blah-blah. I go to talk to Stepahanie, she seems like shes into Jesus. The tall guy had hair like Jesus with beard and everything. I figure I may as well talk to Jesus, as Stephanie seems to be into him bs for a while. I talked to Jesus, asked him how he liked being crucified, lost interest in the girl. It looked like old boy managed to fuck it with the sister, so I started chatting up Stephanie. She told me Bush is her favorite band after I opened up about the music. I’m like “Ya, Gavin Rossdale is a good singer.” She says, “Who?” I say “The lead singer of Bush. You don’t know the lead singer of your favorite band.” She looks embarrassed. I realized I was being a mega douche, but didn’t care to apologize to this bitch. So I sort of just lift my eye brows like Wow Youre A Dumb Fuck. I look over and I see a cute girl on the dance floor, so I forget about Stephanie. And go talk to that girl. Third Engagement The girl is 5’3ish, 130 lbs, all black goth style dress, beautiful flowing black, curly hair. Walk up to girl on dance floor. “What’s your name?” “Lauren.” “Hi, Lauren, would you like to dance.” “I already I am. Of course.” We danced, I didn’t make much contact as I should have (mistake?) I asked where she was from, she said El Paso, the I asked. “Eres Latina?” She said “Si.” “Hablas Espanol Parcera?” “Un poquito.” I started chatting her up more in Spanish, but she said. “I don’t speak it that well, I’m from El Paso.” “Oh, I’m sorry.” (Sign of Weakness?) “You know what is excellent about you?” “What?” “You’re hair. Yours is remarkable, but it is the most beautiful, thick, full, black and curling.” She smiled, thanked me, seemed flattered. She went on to say. “It used to be longer, 4 inches about. Down to here.” Points on her body where it went to. She talks about how she is on break from school and that she studies Math and Physics. I tell her, I’m not as smart as her, I study PolySci and International Business. She seems like she’s vibing. She tells me about how she fell out with her friends in El Paso. I say something like. “So are you like a crazy Chicana? You beat up those girls?” (Weird?) She seems to have taken me too seriously or something and she says something like. “No no, I just completely cross people off, I don’t need to do anything like that.” “I understand.” I smile. Then I kiss her hand, and say "Let me buy you a drink." She says, “A little later, I’m still working on my mind.” I grab a drink and come back. Two guys have circled up. To the girl and her friend. One of them is a total trick. Some 30 something year old bald guy with sideburns, dirty sneakers, jeans and a tucked in t-shirt. The other guy is a little better dressed but still looks like a dick. Skinny, 5’10, 150 lbs maybe, two earrings. He’s talking to her friend who is a cute redhead. I see they are talking to him, and I’m not going to get blocked like I did with Jesus. I nudge the dude with my foot, the better dressed guy and cock my head real quick like “Sup?” He comes over and starts acting super nice and social. He tells me about the two girls. He says the redhead is his friend from way back, she’s a stripper. The girl I was dancing with Lauren, asks him how old he is. He says, “30.” I’m not going to have this dude pull seniority on me, so I say. “You’re ancient man, you got back problems and shit?” She says. “No 30 is not old.” He shrugs and says. “I just turned 30 man, but I’m having the time of my life bro. I work at the Ameristar Casino Night Club. You should come up there, man.” I introduce myself to the redhead, can’t remember her name. Asked her some stupid shit, and she gave me some smiles and replied back. I had no intention of trying on this girl, I was just making myself known. The redhead starts dancing with the pathetic trick. Lauren is dancing with the Redhead, and the weird bald guy is kind of hovering around them both. Doing the worst jig, I’ve ever seen. The guy tells me. “This place sucks, yadda yadda, Ima bouncer, yadda yadda,” then he says something interesting. “The bald guy is prolly one of her clients, she is a stripper, up at Hustler’s. I don’t know who her girlfriend is, but she might be one of her stripper and/or lesbo friend. She prolly likes that dude cuz he got money. Maybe he is paying her to hang out. That’s my girl tho, we been friends forever.” I go up to the blackhaired girl and asked her to dance. She just wouldn’t dance with me, she says, “The music is too down tempo.” So I replied, “This music is depressing.” But got road blocked with, “No it’s not just too down tempo.” If she would have agreed I was going to say, “You want to go sit down and talk for a while, cool off?” but…didn’t. Fourth Engagement I found another girl on the dance floor when she rejected me. A black girl in a catholic school girl uniform. I didn’t ask her name, I was pretty frustrated. I just walked up, grabbed her ass, and started playing grab ass with her and getting up in her box. I could have kissed her, but I’m just really not into the jungle fever, but she was giving me strong eyes. Then the song slowed down, and I thanked her and told her I had to go somewhere but I hope we could dance again. Fifth Engagement My last try on Lauren, I walk over to her, grab her by the wrist somewhat forcefully but not like R-A-P-E mode. I ask her if she’d like to dance again, and she starts walking away and she says “I’m just trying to chill with my friends tonite.” I say. “So you don’t like me?” She says. “No, it’s not that, I’m just trying to hang out with my girl.” “Is it because I’m a scoundrel.” (Cheesy I know, but I really don’t give a fuck, and it actually got me pussy before.) She’s like “No, no, thank you. Goodbye.” I let her go. Homeboy wanna be bouncer comes up. He’s like, “Yo dude, I don’t know what’s up. She wants you to leave her girl alone. They are just trying to hang out.” “I’m like dude, look at that faggot they are dancing with over there. What is that all about?” He’s like “I dunno man, he’s prolly loaded or something. Look dude, come to my night club, have a good time there’s better pussy there anyways.” I look kinda pissed. “What we ain’t cool anymore dog.” {He says.) “Ya, we’re cool man. But yo, I can’t dance with your friend and her girlfriend don’t like me. But yo, bladie, is a fucking faggot. He likes cock. So can I dance with him.” He’s like come on man. I go over to baldy and throw him around a bit and invoke a look of fear in his eye, and then slap his ass like a lil bitch, and my friend pulls me off the dance floor. I’m like “Let’s bounce man.” We walk out the door. My boy says Goodbye to the bouncers. Some bum walks up to us my buddy is stupid enough to acknowledge him. I tell the dude, I’ll give him some money only if he sucks my cock. Cuz I really felt like just beating someone retarded. The dude gets scared and runs off. We drive home. The Mission Infiltrate Goth Night/Meet Females Status:Failed DeBriefing This is where you tell me, what I did wrong. My personal thoughts, I think I came on too strong, I didn't work through one girl enough and moved around too much. I gave off the vibe, I was like a wandering dude just trying to bother girls. My wing man was lame, we didn't bring much an act, he was too robotic and alter said "Goth Night Is Not the Place to Pick Up Chicks." Showing to me that he is a total pussy cuz to me, EVERYWHERE IS A PLACE TO PICK UP CHICKS. Maybe, I creeped the girls out made them feel uncomfortable, and also...Looking back, I think maybe those girls were daters or like higher up hookers, because teh way that dude was saying "MAYBE THAT DUDE HAS MONEY AND HE'S PAYING HER," kind of got me thinking later. The girl is a stripper, but I could be wrong. Anyways, what do y'all think? |
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| Author: | KingMidas [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:06 am ] |
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If you fuck with some guy like that around me, I put you in the penalty box. Means you don't get to know where I'm drinking, I don't wing for you, and I don't bring you girls. You come off sounding desperate, you kept offering to buy girls drinks, that's an AFC move. It sounds like your wing ditched you, I'm not sure why, but that's a DLV for you. Never get mad, don't start name calling, even in your head. The life of the party doesn't do these things. He gains power because EVERYBODY likes to be around him, even "skinny fags". You probably don't care by this point, but my advice for you is to listen to a comedy routine in your car on the way to the bars. Get a smile on your face and tell a few jokes to some strangers when you're out. If people see you making a lot of other people laugh and smile, it is DHV, bigtime. The room will open up to you, and it won't look like you're trying to steal a girl away from her friends when you approach, they will all be curious and receptive. Thanks for the writeup, I did enjoy reading it. I find your writing style witty, I'm sure you're a good conversationalist. |
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| Author: | blazer [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:33 am ] |
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Good report. I agree with KingMidas in that you shouldn't offer to buy drinks for girls - it looks like you are trying to buy their attention and loads of guys do it. I think you may have asked the girls to dance to early, build a bit of comfort and attraction first then ask them to dance. With Lauren you shouldn't have gone back to her and asked her to dance. If a set doesn't work out, just move on and try another. Quote: “I don’t speak it that well, I’m from El Paso.”
If think you can get away with it if you say it sarcastic and with a slight smile (C&F); otherwise it's AFC. You could have negged her as well for not knowing Spanish.“Oh, I’m sorry.” (Sign of Weakness?) Quote: I tell her, I’m not as smart as her, I study PolySci and International Business.
By saying you're not as smart you're DLV, you could have done a DHV story, like how you helped a friend on your course or some other BS.Quote: “You’re hair. Yours is remarkable, but it is the most beautiful, thick, full, black and curling.”
I personally would have followed it with a neg like "is it your real hair or extensions?"
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“So are you like a crazy Chicana? You beat up those girls?”
You should have smiled and said I'm joking, maybe negged her and sid "you're not going to beat me up are you?"Loads of opportunity to neg the first two girls in playful way. Quote: “Where is that?”
You could have said "you weren't very good at geography at school, were you?" or something similar.“It’s in South America. Between Brazil and Chile.” It sounds like you're developing a natural game. But next time I think you should relax a bit more like KingMidas said. If you blow a set, fuck it, move on. Maybe brief your wingman more, have a game plan. The first girl you approached you should have gone up to her sooner instead of waiting a minute (hard I know) keeps it more relaxed, stops you overthinking it. How much did you have to drink that night? More than 2 Rum&cokes? I would drink less if it affects your game, by making you frustrated, it's an easy mistake to make. I've done it enough times. Hope what I've posted helps. Keep me posted on your next sarge and keep working on it. |
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| Author: | Sikkario [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:07 am ] |
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Hey Thanks for the comments, I just turned 21, so I just graduated into the barscene. I'm young to the game in that respect. It wouldn't be a false judgement to say I am kinda desperate right now. I'm going to get better, that is why I put so much work into this report. I'm taking an military approach to the game, I will be the best at it, there's just no doubt. As far as drinks, I had two rum and cokes, 2 shots of vodka, 1 Vodka sprite and a jeagerbomb. One positive thing came out of the experience, I know that. Girls like me, and that I have no anxiety problems. I feel bad for the posts I've ride I've guys with anxiety problems. I think I'll be successful, if I work on my image and stop being such a cave man. |
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| Author: | Ace Rimmer [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:53 am ] |
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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this, but throwing your weight around because you're frustrated about being constantly blown out, makes you look a twat. No exceptions. You should be engaging everyone, even the socially inept. Social proof should be a factor in your game, yet you seem to find innovative ways to utterly destroy it. Negging a guy because he's thirty? Can i cringe now or later? 
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| Author: | Sikkario [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:07 am ] |
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You're right man, I need to chill out. I think I come off like I'm trying to compensate. I'm acting like a little dick, with my psycho caveman maneuvers. I don't really know what the solution is, I need to qualify myself on a personal level and get my own personal image up so I don't have to neg people, judge them or alienate them. It just gets harder when you get blown out all the time. Kinda like a vicious spiral, suggestions? BTW, I'll try to post shorter next time but in the same style. Thanks for the comments guys. |
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| Author: | Ace Rimmer [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:17 pm ] |
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Firstly, you admitted you made mistakes without getting defensive about them, which is admirable. Secondly, i'd suggest that when you go out sarging, you enjoy yourself before making approachs. If you're enjoying yourself, your body language and actions will show it, and people will notice. You'll be in a good frame of mind, you'll have others providing tons of social proof, which in turn will serve you in good stead when making an approach. I try to enjoy myself first, whilst scoping out the place i'm in. Helps me relax, and get a feel for the place. Admittedly i'm only been sarging twice, but what i've just mentioned i always do, and it gave me mixed results. Incorporating some kino, gesturing and cocky/funny, and negs has helped me out a lot. I now expect to k-close when i'm on a night out, rather than hope for it. Also noticed you asked the girls to dance quite quickly, seems like you're opening well, then missing out on building rapport and comfort. Just cut out the nasty aspects of your game, and you should notice an improvement. 
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| Author: | justright [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:04 pm ] |
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Yea it seemed like you came off a little needy around that one girl, we all have done that before no big deal. I think you should have used the one guy that was outgoing to your advantage. If you chatted him up and were hanging out with him its a DHV. REMEMBER just because you want to get laid, like everyone, you have to approach the scene like you are just there to have fun and meet people. If you would have been as outgoing towards the guys you ran into as the girls it might have helped out. Also, the best way to disarm other guys is not to physically out AMOG them, but to do it more subtely because women are not impressed by physical thing as much as they are impressed by wit and humor. |
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| Author: | slight [ Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:12 am ] |
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your insane - I love it! |
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