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Author:  Sybax [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Being Asian
I've been told by everyone that ethnicity doesn't effect picking girls up that much. But every time I go to a bar, club, or the streets late at night, it seems like girls are less inclined to talk to an Asian guy (Korean). I've been told a I'm a pretty good looking guy (from all races), and I am outgoing and fun. I know that the approach and confidence are the deciding factors for a conversation with a girl, but it seems like I get shutdown instantly before anything even happens. I can tell by how they look at me (confused and surprised) and deny me even before I say anything or do anything.


Now, I should say I do target white girls a lot more than any other race, but I do like Asian girls as well. Asian girls are a very different breed to approach, and I think it's easier to have a conversation with them, not because I had a successful approach, but because the girls feel more comfortable talking to the same race. But with white girls, it's just a new ball game. Countless amount of white girls say they wouldn't mind going for an Asian guy; that it's just their lack of confidence and awkwardness. I think that's partly bullshit. I think they say that as an excuse, to make themselves feel like they aren't racist and are open minded, or they have some exotic, buff Asian in mind. When it comes down to it, even if the Asian guy is confident and not awkward, they avoid the confrontation.


I don't want to go into the comfort zone and speak to Asian girls only; most Asian girls are taught that relationships past sex are the only relationship that they should accept. There are still tons of Asian girls who do FWB, one night stands, and casual relationships, but finding them is like finding a needle in a haystack.


I just wanted to rant. People keep saying being Asian has nothing to do with it, that even a fat ugly guy gets game. But they don't mention that the fat guy is white or black.
Author:  citizenX [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:50 pm ]
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confused and surprised don't mean it's a rejection at all man. think about it, maybe you're not seeing it through
Author:  Sybax [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:51 pm ]
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[quote="citizenX"]confused and surprised don't mean it's a rejection at all man. think about it, maybe you're not seeing it through[/quote]

I meant I still do go for the approach and conversation. I don't do anything abrasive or crazy, usually clever and funny. But they don't wanna hear it, and I could see it in their faces before I start talking.
Author:  lofu [ Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:30 am ]
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Dude i feel your pain, same goes for me too. As an Asian myself, white girls just give you this look sometimes...like they feel kinda awkward when u talk to them. Where im from im the minority big time and its a lot tougher to even get a good conversation going with white girls. Wouldn't mind but I have plenty success and ease of conversation elsewhere were its more multicultural.

People say race doesnt matters but it definately does. Whether people admit it or not, your judged on your race even before you open your mouth. Its the harsh reality.
Author:  remiH [ Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:56 pm ]
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Hi -

I'm korean and your statement is absolutely false. Maybe they look at you weird for the following reasons: You don't have enough swag, you don't seem confident or comfortable talking to white girls, you're not slick enough. Yes white girls are a different breed and you have to run a different game with them. I have been successful with a handful of white girls, but am trying to take it a step further and snag some 9's and 10's.

Use your asianess as an advantage when you're into your set. One of my favorite lines i like to use it "hey you know what's really weird...why is it that asian guys are so afraid to talk to pretty white girls like you. I mean have you been approached by an asian guy tonight? probably not right?! they make me look bad!!" white girls will get hooked by that and blah blah blah.

have confidence or maybe its just your area, but I get great responses from white girls, but then again i'm pretty damn good looking and i exude swag when i'm at a club or a bar. it's all about confidence and how you hold yourself.

Oh yea, it would also help if you go out with a white guy when you're doing a pickup. If you're doing this with asians only, it will feed into the stereotype and it will DLV to them because it will seem like you only hang out with asian people. I'd prefer to sarge with my white friends becuase white girls will see that you aren't closed to being asian and that you know how to hold yourself with white people, BUT i have successfully picked up a white set with 2 of my asian buddies pretty consistently.

goodluck man and keep sarging
Author:  Sybax [ Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:45 pm ]
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[quote="remiH"]Hi -

I'm korean and your statement is absolutely false. Maybe they look at you weird for the following reasons: You don't have enough swag, you don't seem confident or comfortable talking to white girls, you're not slick enough. Yes white girls are a different breed and you have to run a different game with them. I have been successful with a handful of white girls, but am trying to take it a step further and snag some 9's and 10's.

Use your asianess as an advantage when you're into your set. One of my favorite lines i like to use it "hey you know what's really weird...why is it that asian guys are so afraid to talk to pretty white girls like you. I mean have you been approached by an asian guy tonight? probably not right?! they make me look bad!!" white girls will get hooked by that and blah blah blah.

have confidence or maybe its just your area, but I get great responses from white girls, but then again i'm pretty damn good looking and i exude swag when i'm at a club or a bar. it's all about confidence and how you hold yourself.

Oh yea, it would also help if you go out with a white guy when you're doing a pickup. If you're doing this with asians only, it will feed into the stereotype and it will DLV to them because it will seem like you only hang out with asian people. I'd prefer to sarge with my white friends becuase white girls will see that you aren't closed to being asian and that you know how to hold yourself with white people, BUT i have successfully picked up a white set with 2 of my asian buddies pretty consistently.

goodluck man and keep sarging[/quote]

I'm a pretty good looking guy too. Do you sarge in white bars? Or more multicultural bars? In NYC, a lot of the bars seem to be white, and those are the ones I go to. It might be my confidence, but they still give you the look at times. And I tend to avoid sarging with other asians. I do it with white guys.

I'll try that line. Sounds pretty good.
Author:  lofu [ Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:45 pm ]
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Always nice to get another persons view onboard, good input remiH! Like the way you use it to your asian ethnicity to your advantage, must start doing that more.

Anyways not bragging or trying inflate my ego but i've been with a 200+ women, wud say 99% white women so thats pretty much my area of im good with! But like i said im not from a multicultural area...so i am the 1% minority. Just saying from experience, its alot harder when white women stereotype you and judge you on your race before you even get talkin to them. Judging a book by its cover. Even on approach they seem somewhat guarded cause im different. It can be done but needs a lot of Asian persuasion :)

Only bars I be in is white peope bars, no other option for me cause not from multicultural area:D
Author:  Tridentuk [ Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:50 pm ]
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this really is just ridiculous. i used to have this belief when i was about 14 years old- and do you know what? it completely comes from yourself.

you're one of countless number of guys who doesn't realise that a woman's social intuition is FAAAAARRRRR greater than a man's, so you can pretty much assume she picks things up about you that you never would realise- and if that doubt is running through your mind it's easy for a girl to pick up on- plus any preconceptions girls have can be overridden by anyone with strong inner game.

i haven't even thought about this topic since i was about 15, girls SIMPLY don't have a preference, and even if they do it's a preconception. this one white girl (not someone i was trying to game) told me she "hasn't ever been into asian guys", and in my head i was thinking "yeah if you met a guy who had enough game and wanted you you'd change your mind.." later on she was all touchy feely with me even while i had no intention of trying it on (she was very hot but had a bf).
what helps me i suppose is that i hang out with all white friends, all my ex's have been white girls and i've run game by them. i guess the only thing that COULD work against you is if you have an asian accent, apart from which it all depends on confidence and social proof..

it may also be your appearance.. go buy some new clothes which give you higher perceived social value, or peacock to ensure that you are part of this community. the only reason a white girl should overlook you is if they believe you aren't a member of this society- and that includes dressing wrong, having a strong accent, or having certain mannerisms.
Author:  Sybax [ Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:17 pm ]
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You cannot deny that there are people who stereotype Asian guys quickly before even considering to have a conversation with them. I don't have an accent, wardrobe is not that bad, confidence is good; basically everything is intact. It's just quick stereotyping diffuses everything and kills it.
Author:  Chief [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:24 am ]
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Hi, I am a Korean-American and I've lived in America for the majority of my life, although I currently live in Korea. My experience with pickup thus far has primarily been with white girls.

First of all, it actually IS harder for Asian males in America than it is for white dudes. This is true. Anyone who tries to deny that is full of shit.

Second of all, it doesn't fucking matter. You can do a lot of things to make up for being Asian. You can break stereotypes by 1. not acting Asian (being very proficient at English, not playing video games, generally doing shit most Asians don't do) and 2. not dressing Asian (wearing shit Asians generally don't wear). If you do that shit while working on getting good game, then being Asian really won't matter. Some girls will still - and always - reject you on the basis of race, but in comparison there will be a ton of more girls, regardless of their race, who will fuck you.

Third of all, you think you're getting shut down instantly because of your race? You're being a little bitch who doesn't know shit about persistence. With these same girls, white guys might get instantly shut down less often, but most of these girls will react the same way they do to the white guys to you if you PERSIST. Sure, they might seem confused and surprised at first since Asian guys have never had the balls to talk to them before, but keep persisting past that initial shock and you're in.

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Come on, seriously. I get rejected more by the Korean girls here than by the white girls in America, and that's just because I don't know Korean.

TL;DR: The problem isn't that you're Asian; the problem is that you're being a little bitch.
Author:  Sybax [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:30 am ]
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lol I'll take 2 of those prescriptions please.
Author:  Jizza [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:57 am ]
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Honestly, man the hell up.

It doesn't matter if your asian. Your major obstacle is caring what they think. Your worth more than some stupid bitch's opinion.
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You cannot deny that there are people who stereotype Asian guys quickly before even considering to have a conversation with them. I don't have an accent, wardrobe is not that bad, confidence is good; basically everything is intact. It's just quick stereotyping diffuses everything and kills it.
STOP DOING THIS. Stop justifying your false belief. This is not it. If you want you can exaggerate the stereotypes on purpose to make them look stupid.
Author:  nnguy625 [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:19 am ]
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To Sybax:

Hate to say it man, but I gotta agree with these guys. The fact that you care about how the stereotypes affect the ladies is really screwing up your game, man! Listen to me Sybax.

You are a f*cking sexy Korean bastard. You're fun, you love women, you have everything it takes to offer any girl, I mean ANY F**ing girl, YOU'RE THE PRIZE, and you deserve to have ANY women of ANY race that YOU WANT. This is your life, and you totally deserve it, do you know why? Because THIS IS YOUR LIFE!!

What does she have to offer you? I'm sure she wants to have fun, she wants a man who loves women, who can give her a good time. She WANTS YOU. She just hasn't meet you or realize that yet.

Now let me ask you a question. Why the f*ck do you even care or give a sh*t about what she thinks? ("confused...or shock look that you talked about) This is you, this is your life, she cares more about what you think of her then what she thinks of you. Instead of focusing on her judging you by your ethnicity, why not worry about what you think of her and see if you really like her. Appreciate her, and let her know, not through words, but through your actions that you admire her, you appreciate her, and you're a man with BALLS, and you don't give a f*ck what others think of you, you give a f*ck what you think of yourself. That's the kinda man that any girl wet their panties about, fantasize about, and read those goddamn romantic stories about. That guy is you, you have it, you just need to believe in yourself more, and just let things happen.

Don't think about this stereotype that's there, I'm Asian, and to me it's not even there most of the time. I've heard about it, but it doesn't really hold true for my reality because I know from my own experience that this is just a stereotype, and like most stereotypes, it's not true and usually socially constructed. I've seen Asian guys who gets white girls, and I'm one of them. And I know I don't even have that thought of the stereotype in my head at all, NO..... I focus on what I want and how I'm going to get it, not the bullsh*t that I don't want. If you do that for anything, not just women, you will get what you want. Trust me, because I have faith in you man. Take it easy, man.



peace,
Nelson
Author:  Spambot [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:29 pm ]
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I'm asian and I don't live in USA(but I like to). So you mean having strong asian accent and bad english is a Big NO NO!?
Author:  Lucius. [ Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:07 am ]
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I spent the first 20 years of my life blaming my social environment for my inability to be socially successful and secure. Essentially I was a social outcast and I was from a really small town (less than 100 ppl), i felt like i had absolutely no options. So when i left for university i went far away, and lo and behold, when put in a new social environment i was able to absolutely tear shit up. You might think that this proves that my social environment was influencing my success, however, something interesting happened. When I went back home to visit for the Christmas holidays I went to the only club in the city where i went to high school, and it was like a fucking high school reunion bc everyone was home visiting. All the people that had completely fucked with me for my entire life were all assembled in one place in one great big group. In high school that would have completely fucked me up, but i had a completely owned university when i left, and continued to behave like it was any night out with my girls back in Halifax. not only did every single one of the guys who used to fuck with me come up to me and try to be my new best friend but by the end of the night every person in the entire club had come up to me and introduced themselves if we had never met. Only 4 months ago these people would shut me down before i could even say a word, what the fuck could have changed the situation so drastically. The only thing that had changed in the situation was my behavior. The moral of the story is - people respond to the cues and behaviors that I display and project in the moment, regardless of past value judgments, prejudices, or stereotypes. At first this was a difficult realization to handle; essentially I am 100% responsible for how people respond to me in the moment. Its all on me. Blaming some external circumstance or situation only blinds me from the possibilities and options that I can take advantage of. By blaming something external that I have essentially no control over I am handing over my power to whatever it is I am using as a crutch. Even if it is true it cannot help in any way and it will only hurt in the long run, let go of the blame game, accept responsibility for your situation and your fate. maybe in reality there are some girls that will screen you out for being asian, but thats not the type of person I think you would want to be with in the first place, they arent screening you out, they are screening out themselves. I really hope things work out for you dude, Ive felt like ive had no options before and its probably the worst feeling in the world, but youve got the power within yourself my friend youve just got to let it out.

- Lucius

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