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What is me, if not my personality, my body, my clothing, my uni GPA... Have you ever asked yourself why people are different, becuase each has his own personality (fears, vicotries, ups, downs, behavioral patterns, emotions...)

I have been me, I am me and I'll always be me, cause I don't have a twin brother and as far as I know no one cloned me so far, if you find a copy of me on this world I give you a 100 bucks

Inner game is bullshit BUT it's bullshit if you copy it from someone else.

If you want to utter irrelevant philosophical mind masturbation, be my guest. For the meanwhile - it means nothing. Certainly it is nothing meaningful in the realm of sexual encounters and attraction of the opposite sex (which is an individual "thing").

There very well exists a me with all of my beliefs, fears, anxieties, behaviour patterns, quirks and traits. Be it an "illusion" of some sort, perhaps - but it's a very consistent one.

Cheers.

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This is only irrelevant philosophical masturbation when you don't take practical action by looking to see if what is being said is true.
That means looking to see if there is a you who is reading this post, or looking to see if there is a you who masturbates or whatever.
Or is it just a body doing all those things, without the need for some separate entity controlling it?

No thoughts belong to 'you' because there is no you.
This you is yet another thought that other thoughts are attached to.

Every thought prefixed by 'the elephant in the room' is attached to the elephant in the room.
If the elephant is real, then these thoughts actually refer to something real.
However if it doesn't, then we call it imagination.

Well Im saying that the 'you' that is attached to many thoughts is not something real and it just imagined.

Yes there is a body that has thoughts, emotions, shits, eats etc.
But there is no you involved in any of those processes.

Look to see if Im bullshitting, or if there might really be NO YOU.

What you're talking about is a very complex mind-body problem that I am not sure people would be willing to engage in.

As for the practical aspect of achieving a good set of beliefs for the purpose of excellence, and more specifically, being attractive to women. I agree that many thought processes should be regarded as 'not real' in the sense that they don't reflect an actual reality but are just mental set-backs. For that here's my two cents.

not believing or believing that everything is an illusion is a illusion ... i mean what is a illusion if the illusion is the illusion.

not exisisting would be the same as existing... what is real?

you cannot say it's real but you can't say it's not real either... so what is it ?

you cannot lable it, you can not refer to it.

your ego is important in achieving goals and so forth , believing that it doesn't matter can either help you to do what you fear the most or it can completely fuck you up.

There is "you". You are the eternal and unique energy which is a part and always connected to a huge collective consciousness (some call it god) and you just currently populate your body. Your essence will not vanish when you leave this body. So yes, there is you

All the emotions you're experiencing are an indicator of your current vibration and congruency with the source, with your true essence.
Ah, I just love mental masturbation

Author:	emde [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:43 pm ]
Post subject:	Spiritual 'Enlightenment'
Hey guys, If any of you are interested in what this is, I will tell you now: There is no you. Seeing this is liberation. All anxiety, and inner game problems are an illusion due to the false assumption that there exists a personality with certain fixed traits conditioned by past experience/thoughts. This 'self' is a total illusion, it refers to nothing. Can anyone here prove that they exist as a self? I say there is no you, there has never been a you, and there never will be you. All inner game is bull shit. You don't need to recondition your belief systems if you can see that ALL beliefs (especially the one that says you exist) are illusion. Ask questions?

Author:	Kupid [ Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:23 pm ]
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What is me, if not my personality, my body, my clothing, my uni GPA... Have you ever asked yourself why people are different, becuase each has his own personality (fears, vicotries, ups, downs, behavioral patterns, emotions...) I have been me, I am me and I'll always be me, cause I don't have a twin brother and as far as I know no one cloned me so far, if you find a copy of me on this world I give you a 100 bucks Inner game is bullshit BUT it's bullshit if you copy it from someone else.

Author:	AvihooI [ Sun Jun 19, 2011 5:17 am ]
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If you want to utter irrelevant philosophical mind masturbation, be my guest. For the meanwhile - it means nothing. Certainly it is nothing meaningful in the realm of sexual encounters and attraction of the opposite sex (which is an individual "thing"). There very well exists a me with all of my beliefs, fears, anxieties, behaviour patterns, quirks and traits. Be it an "illusion" of some sort, perhaps - but it's a very consistent one. Cheers.

Author:	emde [ Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:30 am ]
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Quote: What is me, if not my personality, my body, my clothing, my uni GPA... Have you ever asked yourself why people are different, becuase each has his own personality (fears, vicotries, ups, downs, behavioral patterns, emotions...) I have been me, I am me and I'll always be me, cause I don't have a twin brother and as far as I know no one cloned me so far, if you find a copy of me on this world I give you a 100 bucks Inner game is bullshit BUT it's bullshit if you copy it from someone else. Yes every body/mind system that exists is different because of unique experience. But 'you', a separate invisible thing that experienced all of that conditioning does not exist. All I am saying is that what you imagine yourself to be - the product of all that experience - is not who you are. The product of that experience is a set of beliefs (thoughts) with the thought 'I' attached to it. This 'I' is only a thought and doesn't exists as something real. Take a look for it now, does it exist? Sure the thoughts exist as thoughts, but do the thoughts containing the concept 'I' or 'Me' refer to anything in real life?

Author:	emde [ Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:36 am ]
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Quote: If you want to utter irrelevant philosophical mind masturbation, be my guest. For the meanwhile - it means nothing. Certainly it is nothing meaningful in the realm of sexual encounters and attraction of the opposite sex (which is an individual "thing"). There very well exists a me with all of my beliefs, fears, anxieties, behaviour patterns, quirks and traits. Be it an "illusion" of some sort, perhaps - but it's a very consistent one. Cheers. This is only irrelevant philosophical masturbation when you don't take practical action by looking to see if what is being said is true. That means looking to see if there is a you who is reading this post, or looking to see if there is a you who masturbates or whatever. Or is it just a body doing all those things, without the need for some separate entity controlling it? No thoughts belong to 'you' because there is no you. This you is yet another thought that other thoughts are attached to. Every thought prefixed by 'the elephant in the room' is attached to the elephant in the room. If the elephant is real, then these thoughts actually refer to something real. However if it doesn't, then we call it imagination. Well Im saying that the 'you' that is attached to many thoughts is not something real and it just imagined. Yes there is a body that has thoughts, emotions, shits, eats etc. But there is no you involved in any of those processes. Look to see if Im bullshitting, or if there might really be NO YOU.

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Author:	AvihooI [ Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:09 am ]
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Quote: Quote: If you want to utter irrelevant philosophical mind masturbation, be my guest. For the meanwhile - it means nothing. Certainly it is nothing meaningful in the realm of sexual encounters and attraction of the opposite sex (which is an individual "thing"). There very well exists a me with all of my beliefs, fears, anxieties, behaviour patterns, quirks and traits. Be it an "illusion" of some sort, perhaps - but it's a very consistent one. Cheers. This is only irrelevant philosophical masturbation when you don't take practical action by looking to see if what is being said is true. That means looking to see if there is a you who is reading this post, or looking to see if there is a you who masturbates or whatever. Or is it just a body doing all those things, without the need for some separate entity controlling it? No thoughts belong to 'you' because there is no you. This you is yet another thought that other thoughts are attached to. Every thought prefixed by 'the elephant in the room' is attached to the elephant in the room. If the elephant is real, then these thoughts actually refer to something real. However if it doesn't, then we call it imagination. Well Im saying that the 'you' that is attached to many thoughts is not something real and it just imagined. Yes there is a body that has thoughts, emotions, shits, eats etc. But there is no you involved in any of those processes. Look to see if Im bullshitting, or if there might really be NO YOU. What you're talking about is a very complex mind-body problem that I am not sure people would be willing to engage in. As for the practical aspect of achieving a good set of beliefs for the purpose of excellence, and more specifically, being attractive to women. I agree that many thought processes should be regarded as 'not real' in the sense that they don't reflect an actual reality but are just mental set-backs. For that here's my two cents.

Author:	emde [ Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:34 am ]
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Quote: What you're talking about is a very complex mind-body problem that I am not sure people would be willing to engage in. As for the practical aspect of achieving a good set of beliefs for the purpose of excellence, and more specifically, being attractive to women. I agree that many thought processes should be regarded as 'not real' in the sense that they don't reflect an actual reality but are just mental set-backs. For that here's my two cents. It is not a complex problem, its the most simple thing. Its as simple as seeing that there is no you. Its not that certain thought processes refer to things that in reality should be regarded as not real - something is either real or not real. Every thought about 'myself' refers to something that doesn't actually exist. Is it true? It can only be seen. Thinking about it is more conceptualisation - thats where things are complex. This is simple like looking out the window and seeing the grass. Or hearing the sound of typing or the birds singing. Apply that same simple act of focus to seeing whether or not 'you' exists as a real life thing.

Author:	Lodewijkp [ Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:27 pm ]
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not believing or believing that everything is an illusion is a illusion ... i mean what is a illusion if the illusion is the illusion. not exisisting would be the same as existing... what is real? you cannot say it's real but you can't say it's not real either... so what is it ? you cannot lable it, you can not refer to it. your ego is important in achieving goals and so forth , believing that it doesn't matter can either help you to do what you fear the most or it can completely fuck you up.

Author:	emde [ Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:31 am ]
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Quote: not believing or believing that everything is an illusion is a illusion ... i mean what is a illusion if the illusion is the illusion. not exisisting would be the same as existing... what is real? you cannot say it's real but you can't say it's not real either... so what is it ? you cannot lable it, you can not refer to it. your ego is important in achieving goals and so forth , believing that it doesn't matter can either help you to do what you fear the most or it can completely fuck you up. Yes believing (or 'not believing' which is still believing) in anything is illusion. The middle 3 sentences there are retarded. Things exist. This laptop is exists. Thoughts about this laptop exist. Emotions exist in this body which also exists. Even thoughts about 'me' exist! The 'me' these thoughts refer to, however, is nowhere to be found. 'You' is not important for achieving any goals. The body is the only thing that actually ever does anything. Thoughts might have pointed at certain actions for the body to take. BUT there has never been a 'you' involved in any process. 'You' is just another thought that arises in that body/mind system. Theres no you in real life. Just look for it. Look, right now. Go on. I dare you!

Author:	Txacoli [ Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:53 am ]
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There is "you". You are the eternal and unique energy which is a part and always connected to a huge collective consciousness (some call it god) and you just currently populate your body. Your essence will not vanish when you leave this body. So yes, there is you All the emotions you're experiencing are an indicator of your current vibration and congruency with the source, with your true essence. Ah, I just love mental masturbation

Author:	emde [ Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:03 pm ]
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Quote: There is "you". You are the eternal and unique energy which is a part and always connected to a huge collective consciousness (some call it god) and you just currently populate your body. Your essence will not vanish when you leave this body. So yes, there is you All the emotions you're experiencing are an indicator of your current vibration and congruency with the source, with your true essence. Ah, I just love mental masturbation Nice poetry but nothing useful there. That is indeed mental masturbation. There are a bunch of people who liberating more by the week over at RuthlessTruth. Anyone interested in becoming liberated PM me. If not, then continue to live a lie. This is about the truth of this life. Will it help you get better with girls? Only one way to find out, look to see if there is a you who can ever get better with girls. Theres no you.

Author:	Txacoli [ Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:18 pm ]
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At first I didn't think you were actually serious about this until I saw the website. It's a little cult-like, but ok, I don't wanna judge by the cover so I browsed it a little and downloaded the brutalbeginning e-book and reading it now. So, you're saying you cracked it? The no self thing reminds me a lot of actually being one with all, which (for me) is just another way of looking at it. What do you define as self? The whole website and the book reminds me of fight club or something like that, where boys get together and create some sort of philosophy to feel special. The thing that convinced me to go and read the book was the name Ciaran. How old are you, if it's not a secret?

Author:	Txacoli [ Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:05 pm ]
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Ok, so basically this group of yours is trying to have the same enlightenment Eckhart Tolle did?

Author:	AvihooI [ Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:26 pm ]
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I am not going to argue philosophy with you. But this "there is no you" assumes way too many things. If there's no you BECAUSE there NEVER was a you and there never WILL BE a you - then this way of thinking assumes time to be a factor - whereas time is a concept that is just as real as a 'self'. In fact, a 'self' would be a thing that perceives time. In other words - the only way 'there is no you' would be the fact that 'there is a you'. You'd might want to take a look at "pragmatic nihilism" or generally nihilism. This 'there is no you' school-of-thought just seems to be knocked off of that. I admit that there is something liberating about turning nihilistic. But complete nihilism is self-contradictory and sometimes even detrimental.

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Author:	Txacoli [ Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:51 pm ]
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I think it has more to do with removing the ego part of self. I don't know, but it intrigued me enough to read up on it.