PUA Forum :: Is it enough to have great inner game w/o much outer game?

inner game causes outter game..

i mean no ones ever met someone with pure inner game but no outer game.

Without experiences that outer game brings, you can't have the inner game people want.

Sometimes I feel.. inner game = knowledge. Outer game = Practice.

What do you think, guys?

Here is my question. Let me clarify this. Let's say a person has had good success in gaming 9s and 10s, and this eventually leads to a strong inner game where he is brimming with confidence and lives in his own reality. Do the DHV stories and opinion openers and the other routines still remain as important as when he started? Or does the fact that he is confident and comfortable in his own skin takes care of almost everything and the only thing left to do is gradual escalation?

inner game causes outter game..

Generally speaking though, outer game gets you to a point where you can talk to girls. Inner game gets you to a point where you feel comfortable doing it.

i dont really have any lines, and a brief structure which i usually forget. i just go with the flow in the 'natural' sense. So my Inner Game is what brings out my outer game (i think?) i dont really have any lines, and a brief structure which i usually forget.

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Generally speaking though, outer game gets you to a point where you can talk to girls. Inner game gets you to a point where you feel comfortable doing it.

Quite insightful. I will keep that in mind. Thank you Ezo.

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This is interesting. I am wondering if you want to discuss how you build attraction and sexual tension if you are not much into using routines, DHV stories, memorised banter lines and stuff like that. It would be really helpful because even I tend to forget the structure that I have prepared and then I am all on my own.

Author:	Grand Master [ Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:50 am ]
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I am just curious to know if you feel it's enough to have only great inner game and not much outer game?

Author:	ImNaShitFool [ Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:51 am ]
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inner game causes outter game..

Author:	Diego1234567 [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:13 pm ]
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Quote: inner game causes outter game.. thats sorta true. i mean no ones ever met someone with pure inner game but no outer game. but i guess...hypothetically someone might just need to know he's allowed to talk to strangers and kino escalate and f*close aka deprogrammed, and have full confidence to do it all off the bat. but its a bit mental masterbation.

Author:	Junglepimp [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:08 pm ]
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Sometimes I feel.. inner game = knowledge. Outer game = Practice. What do you think, guys?

Author:	Grand Master [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:07 pm ]
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Quote: i mean no ones ever met someone with pure inner game but no outer game. I never said " no outer game". I said "not much outer game" and there is definitely a difference between these two. Please re-read the OP. Thanks Quote: Without experiences that outer game brings, you can't have the inner game people want. Here is my question. Let me clarify this. Let's say a person has had good success in gaming 9s and 10s, and this eventually leads to a strong inner game where he is brimming with confidence and lives in his own reality. Do the DHV stories and opinion openers and the other routines still remain as important as when he started? Or does the fact that he is confident and comfortable in his own skin takes care of almost everything and the only thing left to do is gradual escalation? Quote: Sometimes I feel.. inner game = knowledge. Outer game = Practice. What do you think, guys? I think if "inner game = knowledge" then all AFCs would have studied their way through to become MPUAs in no time.

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Author:	Junglepimp [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:10 pm ]
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Ah good points you make.

Author:	Ezo [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:14 pm ]
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Quote: Sometimes I feel.. inner game = knowledge. Outer game = Practice. What do you think, guys? Absolutely not. Inner game is so much more. Confidence, mentality, harmony, balance, inner strength, self awareness etc etc. To the OP, everything counts. Inner game counts, outer game counts, looks count, your clothes count, your friends count, even your choice of icecream may count. BUT! Some things count more than others. Some people can get by with only outer game and some with only inner game. Generally speaking though, outer game gets you to a point where you can talk to girls. Inner game gets you to a point where you feel comfortable doing it. And so on, there are several levels of this, that was just the beginning...

Author:	Diego1234567 [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:24 pm ]
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Quote: Here is my question. Let me clarify this. Let's say a person has had good success in gaming 9s and 10s, and this eventually leads to a strong inner game where he is brimming with confidence and lives in his own reality. Do the DHV stories and opinion openers and the other routines still remain as important as when he started? Or does the fact that he is confident and comfortable in his own skin takes care of almost everything and the only thing left to do is gradual escalation? I did not know you were on about DHVing and routines etc. i just go with the flow in the 'natural' sense. So my Inner Game is what brings out my outer game (i think?) i dont really have any lines, and a brief structure which i usually forget. that is why i did not understand the question. sorry peace and love, Shah

Author:	Rune [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:25 pm ]
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Quote: inner game causes outter game.. ^

Author:	Jav [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:41 pm ]
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Quote: inner game causes outter game.. It does, But outer game doesn't magically appear once you sorted out inner game. It's fluid. Inner game as in motivation will push you outside your boundaries and practice outer game. I'd say it like inner game causes you to practice. Both take work though, one does not exist without the other.

Author:	MrBlond [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:44 pm ]
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who cares about an imbalance between outer or inner game. when you boil it down everyone on here is jsut trying to learn how to more easily get laid (or get laid period for some) if you have an imbalance of the two types of game but still get laid to a satisfactory level than who the f*k cares. you win. live life

Author:	Grand Master [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:59 am ]
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Quote: Generally speaking though, outer game gets you to a point where you can talk to girls. Inner game gets you to a point where you feel comfortable doing it. Quite insightful. I will keep that in mind. Thank you Ezo. Quote: i dont really have any lines, and a brief structure which i usually forget. i just go with the flow in the 'natural' sense. So my Inner Game is what brings out my outer game (i think?) i dont really have any lines, and a brief structure which i usually forget. This is interesting. I am wondering if you want to discuss how you build attraction and sexual tension if you are not much into using routines, DHV stories, memorised banter lines and stuff like that. It would be really helpful because even I tend to forget the structure that I have prepared and then I am all on my own.

Author:	Hafer [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:07 am ]
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Simply, you need both, inner, to be confident in what your doing, outer to do it and practice it. Imagine if you were confident about getting a girl, but then realized you have no clue what your really doing. I feel that there is a balance between the two that you should find.

Author:	ImNaShitFool [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:45 am ]
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the way i see it.. your perspective, ideas, attitudes, beliefs, insecurities, etc all directly affect your actions... so once your inner game is taken care of... it shouldnt take much conscious effort to get the outcome ur looking for.. How do u think naturals do it? they dont know about MM or Cocky Funny or anything. but their mind is in a place where the type of behavior that works is normal for them..

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Author:	ImNaShitFool [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:55 am ]
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Quote: Quote: Generally speaking though, outer game gets you to a point where you can talk to girls. Inner game gets you to a point where you feel comfortable doing it. Quite insightful. I will keep that in mind. Thank you Ezo. Quote: i dont really have any lines, and a brief structure which i usually forget. i just go with the flow in the 'natural' sense. So my Inner Game is what brings out my outer game (i think?) i dont really have any lines, and a brief structure which i usually forget. This is interesting. I am wondering if you want to discuss how you build attraction and sexual tension if you are not much into using routines, DHV stories, memorised banter lines and stuff like that. It would be really helpful because even I tend to forget the structure that I have prepared and then I am all on my own. I do the same thing... I dont use any canned material... I'm witty enough to be cocky/funny on my own... because im a naturally creative person with a big ego lol.. so it just comes to me... I just remember not to telegraph interest and use iod's to build the tension, or even just pick on them till it makes a frame where im dominant and their qualifying themselves to me... If I use a story its usually a real life story but I just make sure I tell the DHV part n cut out any DLV parts.. for example I told this one chick a story about this hot girl in my language arts class who used to get me in trouble by touching me cuz the teacher had a crush on her.. And I kino by showing her how she touched me... usually it ends up in a really playful frame w. just enough of that awkward sexual tension that comes w. a guy and a girl flirting.. .