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| Author: | Echo_301 [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Point of wings? |
So I've been going out and hitting a few bars and some night clubs, and I brought a friend of mine with me last night and I was talking to him about he and I going to pick up wemon and that we should help each other. but the only problem is neither one of us knew how to wing each other. are you supposed to just go up and talk to wemon about what a great guy your friend is or what exactly is a wing supposed to do? Echo |
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| Author: | n00bpua123 [ Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Point of wings? |
I prefer to sarge solo (even when I'm with my friends). Let's assume there's a 2-set. One is single, the other not. You approach the set with your friend. The chances to get cockblocked is very likely. Plus, with a wingman I can't control the situation/conversation. When I'm alone I control everything. When I make a mistake I can calibrate or try not to make the same mistake again on the next set. When my wingman makes a mistake, everything is ruined. And it can repeatedly go all night long, which is very frustrating. That's why I go solo. |
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| Author: | Echo_301 [ Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Point of wings? |
Hey thanks for your input, and also what exactly do you do to open up a set? i'm pretty new to the whole pua thing lol and any advice would be awesome! |
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| Author: | n00bpua123 [ Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Point of wings? |
Quote: Hey thanks for your input, and also what exactly do you do to open up a set? i'm pretty new to the whole pua thing lol and any advice would be awesome!
It depends on the situation and also what the girl does and what I want to do in the moment. But generally what I do is this:Dance Floor: 1. Dance (alone) -> Approach -> Simple Opener: "Hey" -> Dance (with girl) -> Escalate -> Set up date -> #close or 2. Same as above but no verbal opener. Time Frame: 20min - 2 hours. Check out skills360. Most of my dance floor game I got from him, especially from pickup to #close. After that I use my own stuff. Street Game/Stores: 1. Situational Opener -> Small Talk -> Set up date -> #close or 2. Direct Opener -> Small Talk -> Set up date -> #close Time Frame: 2min - 10min. That's the basic idea behind my method. It's very simple. I suggest you read some books on body language and approach invitations to lower your approaches and get higher results. |
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| Author: | Hunter_Foxe [ Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Point of wings? |
Good wings egg each other on. We create a base in the club then say "you go and approach that blonde while I approach this one" then you split up and re-group later. Having a good wing is like having a motivational speaker with you, it builds your confidence and social momentum, so you don't have to keep openimg ugly chicks and dudes to stay in state. As for what the above poster said about a bad wing ruining sets, i think anything which takes you outside your comfort zone is good practice. To be good at pickup, you need an unshakable frame so it's not necessarily a bad thing if your wing throws a few curveballs at you. He could join your set acting all drunk and imitate what an AMOG would do. This would push the girl closer to you for protection away from your aggressive buddy and boom! you have instant comfort, escalate from here. That said, I go out solo 75% of the time, mainly due to logistics, so I agree you shouldn't rely on your wing. |
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| Author: | Echo_301 [ Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Point of wings? |
@ Rockstar Elements on your comment about reading some body language books, what one would you recommend? |
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| Author: | Hunter_Foxe [ Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Point of wings? |
Quote: @ Rockstar Elements
Don't rely too heavily on reading body language. Your brain already creates enough excuses not to approach. The last thing you want is another one; e.g. "She hasn't showed this IOI, so I'd better not approach!!!".on your comment about reading some body language books, what one would you recommend? Fundamental motto of pickup: Approach first, calibrate after! Stop reacting to your environment. Stop relying on cues from the girl to escalate things. Stop letting the girl lead. It's better to throw yourself in at the deep end with hostile sets, without any IOI's, as it helps test your frame and you will get stronger from the failure. Then when you approach a friendlier set, you will have all the tools in your arsenal to deal with any resistance or shit tests. Stop going for the easy sets and the easy lays. Test yourself and push for something higher. Ask yourself, are you really pulling the hottest chicks in the club right now? "Motion creates emotion". This means simply approaching a girl and getting up close to her creates attraction, attraction which probably wouldn't be there if you hadn't had the balls to approach. |
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| Author: | detox75 [ Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Point of wings? |
a bad wingman, which is about 80% of men is worse then no wingman, however a good wingman is much better than sarging solo. |
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| Author: | n00bpua123 [ Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Point of wings? |
Quote: Quote: @ Rockstar Elements on your comment about reading some body language books, what one would you recommend?
Don't rely too heavily on reading body language. Your brain already creates enough excuses not to approach. The last thing you want is another one; e.g. "She hasn't showed this IOI, so I'd better not approach!!!".
Hunter Fox is right. Be careful. First I just approached everyone (hot girls and ugly girls). After a lot of approaches I began to develop a sixth sense. I could make accurate guesses if the girl is attracted or not. If the #close is going to be solid or not. After experience I began to read books on body language to sharpen my senses. Now I only approach women I really feel attracted to and women who give me body language signals. |
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