PUA Forum :: LASIK: yes or no. How's your experience?

1. 20/20 chances
What are the chances for a subject like me to get a result of 20/20 6 months after the operation?
And what are the chances of a vision as good as eyeglasses and contacts?

99%, 99%

2. Unresolved issues
What percentage of your patients report unresolved complications six months after surgery and what are my chances of not developing any (includes objective and subjective complications such as halos, starbursts, dry eyes) ?

01%, 0.1%

3. Large pupils and dim light
As I have large pupils, what are my chances of not getting any halos or difficulties in dim light conditions?

0.1%

3. Laser or microkeratome
Will you use a laser to create the flap or a mechanical microkeratome?

Femtolaser!!! It is every so much more safe!

4. Machine and experience
What kind of machine are you using, and what's your experience with that particular one?

Wavelight Allegretto. 10 Years. Excellent.

5. Wearing contacts before check up
I was actually wearing soft contact lenses this Saturday 29.03.2014, 4 days before the check up. Is it an issue?

We need to see you 2 weeks out of Contacts before your SPAM.

Sales pitch.

1. Chances of 20/20 visual acuity initially are very high, probably over 95% (results tend to decline over time). Chances of visual quality as good as with glasses, probably less than 50%. Visual acuity and visual quality are not the same. See: http://lasikcomplications.com/mythof2020.htm

2. Clearly he does not count chronic dry eyes and night vision problems. Clinical trials show that roughly 20% of patients report dry eyes and night vision problems at the 6-month end point of the study. Consumer Reports conducted an independent survey of laser eye surgery patients and found similar numbers -- 22% of patients reporting problems six months after surgery. See: http://www.lasikcomplications.com/consumerreports.htm

3. If your pupils are larger than the laser optical zone, not including the blend zone, then your chances for night vision problems is 99%. Remember, LASIK surgeons don't consider debilitating night vision problems as complications -- they dismiss it as an "expected temporary side effect". So naturally he's going to say that there's no chance of a problem. Apparently many patients with minor night vision problems get used to it over time, so maybe that's why they call it "temporary". Patients with severe night vision problems are unable to adapt.
http://lasikcomplications.com/largepupils.htm

3. (You have two 3's). There are pluses and minuses to femtosecond. I have a page on that. http://www.lasikcomplications.com/IntraLase.htm

4. 10 years experience on the laser he uses? Then how can it be the "latest technology"? (I'm being sarcastic -- they talk out of both sides of their mouths). Here's the Wavelight Allegretto Patient Information Booklet. http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cdrh_docs ... 0S004d.pdf

5. Soft lenses are not a big factor, and 2 weeks sounds about right for being out of them before the pre-op exam. (Different story for hard lenses).

6. Since you didn't ask, read Top Ten Reasons Not To Have LASIK: http://lasikcomplications.com/TopTenReasons.htm

There is no sound medical reason to risk your eyesight. If you have problems (and I believe you will have problems with dry eyes and night vision), you will have to live with profound regret for not following your instincts.

I am not a doctor.

Author:	lucifer7 [ Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:26 pm ]
Post subject:	LASIK: yes or no. How's your experience?
I'm researching on the topic. Bad night vision (halo, startbusting and ghosting) is very common. Much more common if you have larger pupils than usual, as I seem to have. Dry eye is also quite common, another thing that worries me as I get red eyes after contact lenses (but no other dry eyes symptoms without). I really wanna do it as i have -4.75 so my lenses are quite thick but at the same time I'm scared about dry eyes and very bad night vision (seems weird but I would gladly accept a bit of haloing if I'd be assured that was all). I've also been to the doctor whom talked me out of ICL (implantable contacts) and says I'm a perfect candidate for LASIK but what irks me is that it feels like I'm getting a sales pitch rather than the unadulterated truth, which would would make you feel safer (good salesmen should understand when to stop selling!). Here's our mail convo after the check up (stupid me I didn't have too many LASIK questions as I went in with the idea of doing ICL): Quote: 1. 20/20 chances What are the chances for a subject like me to get a result of 20/20 6 months after the operation? And what are the chances of a vision as good as eyeglasses and contacts? 99%, 99% 2. Unresolved issues What percentage of your patients report unresolved complications six months after surgery and what are my chances of not developing any (includes objective and subjective complications such as halos, starbursts, dry eyes) ? 01%, 0.1% 3. Large pupils and dim light As I have large pupils, what are my chances of not getting any halos or difficulties in dim light conditions? 0.1% 3. Laser or microkeratome Will you use a laser to create the flap or a mechanical microkeratome? Femtolaser!!! It is every so much more safe! 4. Machine and experience What kind of machine are you using, and what's your experience with that particular one? Wavelight Allegretto. 10 Years. Excellent. 5. Wearing contacts before check up I was actually wearing soft contact lenses this Saturday 29.03.2014, 4 days before the check up. Is it an issue? We need to see you 2 weeks out of Contacts before your SPAM. I forwarded this mail to the lovely person who started the website "LASIK complication", here's his/her reply: Quote: Sales pitch. 1. Chances of 20/20 visual acuity initially are very high, probably over 95% (results tend to decline over time). Chances of visual quality as good as with glasses, probably less than 50%. Visual acuity and visual quality are not the same. See: http://lasikcomplications.com/mythof2020.htm 2. Clearly he does not count chronic dry eyes and night vision problems. Clinical trials show that roughly 20% of patients report dry eyes and night vision problems at the 6-month end point of the study. Consumer Reports conducted an independent survey of laser eye surgery patients and found similar numbers -- 22% of patients reporting problems six months after surgery. See: http://www.lasikcomplications.com/consumerreports.htm 3. If your pupils are larger than the laser optical zone, not including the blend zone, then your chances for night vision problems is 99%. Remember, LASIK surgeons don't consider debilitating night vision problems as complications -- they dismiss it as an "expected temporary side effect". So naturally he's going to say that there's no chance of a problem. Apparently many patients with minor night vision problems get used to it over time, so maybe that's why they call it "temporary". Patients with severe night vision problems are unable to adapt. http://lasikcomplications.com/largepupils.htm 3. (You have two 3's). There are pluses and minuses to femtosecond. I have a page on that. http://www.lasikcomplications.com/IntraLase.htm 4. 10 years experience on the laser he uses? Then how can it be the "latest technology"? (I'm being sarcastic -- they talk out of both sides of their mouths). Here's the Wavelight Allegretto Patient Information Booklet. http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cdrh_docs ... 0S004d.pdf 5. Soft lenses are not a big factor, and 2 weeks sounds about right for being out of them before the pre-op exam. (Different story for hard lenses). 6. Since you didn't ask, read Top Ten Reasons Not To Have LASIK: http://lasikcomplications.com/TopTenReasons.htm There is no sound medical reason to risk your eyesight. If you have problems (and I believe you will have problems with dry eyes and night vision), you will have to live with profound regret for not following your instincts. I am not a doctor.

Author:	prince_prince [ Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:16 am ]
Post subject:	Re: LASIK: yes or no. How's your experience?
Honestly I would just stick with contacts. But thats just me.

Author:	darkeyes [ Fri May 16, 2014 9:10 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: LASIK: yes or no. How's your experience?
I would say don;t do it. Heres a link http://products.mercola.com/vision-program/ I watched a while back I forget what it totally says. There another way to improve your vision naturally. Ayurveda (5000 year old healing system from India does this). Everyday there are a few exercises to do. First look at the sun outside with your eyes closed for a few moments, then turn your head away from it and back towards a few times. After that with your eye lids closed (not looking at the sun) massage your eyes with your fingertips. Massage your retina specifically or whatever it is called. After that look back at the sun with your eyes closed again, and it will be brighter, do the same thing, look at it for a few moments, then turn your head away and back to etc a few times. Now turn around with the sun to your back, and try to hold the colour you see with your eyes closed. thats 1 thing The other thing now is to do a little exercise where you stare at your hand holding it close to your face, then take it down and pick a point far in the distance and focus on that, and go between the two. You will feel your eye muscle working. Third thing, pick a small piece of writing, type a few senetces etc, put it on the wall and go as far away from it as you can without squinting and read it, eventually you will be able to increase the distance. My eye sight is pretty good, not perfect, so i don;t do this all the time but once and a while, and it feels good to massage your eyes. and after doing the first exercise things will be a lot brighter for a bit. Where I heard this if I remember correctly is from Deepak Chopra's Magical Mind Magical Body, buy it or whatever if you want to hear it from him. Hope fit helps

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