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I have heard countless times eat 6 small meals a day, I tried it and failed. I have read and there is NO studies that show it increases metabolism.

I have recently 6 weeks ago started Intermitent Fasting, and have been getting shredded.

It slaps the bodybuiling/fitness industry in the face, throws what you have heard on its head. I have heard your body can only digest x amount of protien at a time (lies) I have heard you will go catabolic at night (lies) i heard you need to eat 6 small meals a day (lies)

So here is my daily routine.

Wake up 7am
Workout 9am
Eat 1pm-5pm (4 HOUR WINDOW) 160protien 100fat 50carbs 1740calories (maintance is 2400)
Then I dont eat for 20 hours

Why this works, I workout after not eating for 16 hours. My body has no food to use it MUST burn fat, then it has the afterburn effect were my body is producing GrowthHormones (insulin limits the production, without eating insulin is low). Then 4 hours of afterburn till I eat at which point the carb/fat/and protien are eaten up by my body.

* My metabolism is fine for a few reasons. 1. It natrually drops off as you sleep. 2. When I wake up my body will try to conserve energy, drop metabolism. However, I workout drink coffe (caffine stimulant) which forces my body to increase its metabolism. 3. After working out you have the "afterburn effect" were your body has an increased metabolism.

* I am taking in 160g of protien in 4 hours, the truth is protien is slow digesting. Your body can't digest it that fast, but what is not digested at first travels through you intestines and is broken down later. Your body does not just throw it away.

*Warning*
I am on a SPAM diet, which takes an introduction phase which is hard for most people. Its almost like going through insulin withdraws, most people in the first weeks get headaches, have "brain fog", and feel tierd.

Fasting along with SPAM takes will power, you need to be dedicated. If you are going to break your fast at night cause your hungry, don't try it.

Last Point
August is Ramadan, I am not muslim. However they do a fasting where they only eat at night, it is the same concept. I think time has shown that this is completely healthy considering they have been doing this for a long time. ( I don't see many fat muslims).

Author:	Faust23 [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:28 pm ]
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I have heard countless times eat 6 small meals a day, I tried it and failed. I have read and there is NO studies that show it increases metabolism. I have recently 6 weeks ago started Intermitent Fasting, and have been getting shredded. It slaps the bodybuiling/fitness industry in the face, throws what you have heard on its head. I have heard your body can only digest x amount of protien at a time (lies) I have heard you will go catabolic at night (lies) i heard you need to eat 6 small meals a day (lies) So here is my daily routine. Wake up 7am Workout 9am Eat 1pm-5pm (4 HOUR WINDOW) 160protien 100fat 50carbs 1740calories (maintance is 2400) Then I dont eat for 20 hours Why this works, I workout after not eating for 16 hours. My body has no food to use it MUST burn fat, then it has the afterburn effect were my body is producing GrowthHormones (insulin limits the production, without eating insulin is low). Then 4 hours of afterburn till I eat at which point the carb/fat/and protien are eaten up by my body. * My metabolism is fine for a few reasons. 1. It natrually drops off as you sleep. 2. When I wake up my body will try to conserve energy, drop metabolism. However, I workout drink coffe (caffine stimulant) which forces my body to increase its metabolism. 3. After working out you have the "afterburn effect" were your body has an increased metabolism. * I am taking in 160g of protien in 4 hours, the truth is protien is slow digesting. Your body can't digest it that fast, but what is not digested at first travels through you intestines and is broken down later. Your body does not just throw it away. Warning I am on a SPAM diet, which takes an introduction phase which is hard for most people. Its almost like going through insulin withdraws, most people in the first weeks get headaches, have "brain fog", and feel tierd. Fasting along with SPAM takes will power, you need to be dedicated. If you are going to break your fast at night cause your hungry, don't try it. Last Point August is Ramadan, I am not muslim. However they do a fasting where they only eat at night, it is the same concept. I think time has shown that this is completely healthy considering they have been doing this for a long time. ( I don't see many fat muslims).

Author:	1eye [ Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:09 am ]
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Quote: Last Point August is Ramadan, I am not muslim. However they do a fasting where they only eat at night, it is the same concept. I think time has shown that this is completely healthy considering they have been doing this for a long time. ( I don't see many fat muslims). Let's put this in perspective,muslims fast only once a year for one month during ramadan.There are fat muslims but do you think your methods work for the long run.You said it takes dedication and motivation, how many people are like you? What's your motivation? Health or self esteem? Don't take it the wrong way, if it works for you,great!

Author:	Faust23 [ Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:58 am ]
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Our ancestors ate this wat for thousands of years. They didn't sit around eating 6 small meals. They would go out hunt and kill some big animal and the tribe would eat it. You think the Native Americans killed buffalo and split the meal up 6 times for however many days. Hell no without refridgeration, it would be impossible. As for the motivation, well thats everything in life. How many people do well in anything without motivation and will power.

Author:	davidlov [ Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:13 am ]
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Quote: I have heard countless times eat 6 small meals a day, I tried it and failed. I have read and there is NO studies that show it increases metabolism. I have recently 6 weeks ago started Intermitent Fasting, and have been getting shredded. It slaps the bodybuiling/fitness industry in the face, throws what you have heard on its head. I have heard your body can only digest x amount of protien at a time (lies) I have heard you will go catabolic at night (lies) i heard you need to eat 6 small meals a day (lies) So here is my daily routine. Wake up 7am Workout 9am Eat 1pm-5pm (4 HOUR WINDOW) 160protien 100fat 50carbs 1740calories (maintance is 2400) Then I dont eat for 20 hours Why this works, I workout after not eating for 16 hours. My body has no food to use it MUST burn fat, then it has the afterburn effect were my body is producing GrowthHormones (insulin limits the production, without eating insulin is low). Then 4 hours of afterburn till I eat at which point the carb/fat/and protien are eaten up by my body. * My metabolism is fine for a few reasons. 1. It natrually drops off as you sleep. 2. When I wake up my body will try to conserve energy, drop metabolism. However, I workout drink coffe (caffine stimulant) which forces my body to increase its metabolism. 3. After working out you have the "afterburn effect" were your body has an increased metabolism. * I am taking in 160g of protien in 4 hours, the truth is protien is slow digesting. Your body can't digest it that fast, but what is not digested at first travels through you intestines and is broken down later. Your body does not just throw it away. Warning I am on a SPAM diet, which takes an introduction phase which is hard for most people. Its almost like going through insulin withdraws, most people in the first weeks get headaches, have "brain fog", and feel tierd. Fasting along with SPAM takes will power, you need to be dedicated. If you are going to break your fast at night cause your hungry, don't try it. Last Point August is Ramadan, I am not muslim. However they do a fasting where they only eat at night, it is the same concept. I think time has shown that this is completely healthy considering they have been doing this for a long time. ( I don't see many fat muslims). since im cutting i dont eat bread at all, all my carbs come from vegetables, fruits, non fat greek yougurt, and sometimes ill have 1/2 cup of oat meal. i stock up on alot of ground turkey, tuna, eggs, fish, low calorie high protein ham, and chiken breast and i buy alot alot of green beans and broccoli. i eat 3 meals a day, a pre workout protein shake and a post work out protein shake. my meals will look someting like this breakfast 12:00pm - 3egg whites 1egg whole cooked with two slices of low calorie ham/ a banana or sometimes 1/2 cup of plain oats in water. meal 2 3:30pm - (this changes alot but heres an example) 4-5ounces chicken breast , 1cup of grean beans pre workout shake 4:30pm and then i work out right after post work out protein shake 5:30pm (i use non fat greek yougurt and a banana in my post workout shake) meal 3 6:30pm- ground turkey with 1cup green beans or broccoli, avocado i do use IF, I fast 16-18 hours daily and get all my macros in less then 8 hours. i find it alot more simple then 6 small meals and more realistic to deal with as a lifetime plan, diet is hard at first but as time went on i liked the idea of being in complete control of what i put in my body and being on another level of self discipline. i sometimes do crave junk food but its not hard for me to stay on track, ill just have some strawberries and even protein shakes satisfy my sweet tooth. ill have a cheat day once a week but i dont pig out on anything, ill eat whatever i want but ill be smart about it and i drink nothing but water even on cheat days. i love water

Author:	SOUL_FIGHTER [ Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:17 am ]
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How about instead of all these fucking stupid fad diets, you try actually working out? And I don't mean P90X bullshit, I mean actual high intensity weight training.

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Author:	davidlov [ Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:24 am ]
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Quote: How about instead of all these fucking stupid fad diets, you try actually working out? And I don't mean P90X bullshit, I mean actual high intensity weight training. IF is not a diet, its an eating strategy. and i weight lift 6 days a week for an hour and 30 minutes of cardio 3-4 days a week but i didn't mention that because he was talking about something else. and exercise will only get you so far if your macros are all fucked up dumbass

Author:	Faust23 [ Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:13 pm ]
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Soul fighter this isn't a fad, its been studied in the 90s and has been done for most of human history. If anything six small meals is a fad.... Also its not a diet. And I do work out, so how about you try to contribute something to the thread.

Author:	SOUL_FIGHTER [ Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:48 pm ]
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What industry do you guys work in? I'm a fitness professional. I tell my clients that they can eat whatever the hell they want as long as it's going somewhere. And to eat light 2 hours before a session with a trainer. Me? I eat whatever I want, I weight train 3 days a week, and my training methods are more effective and efficient than any of your's. That's why I don't need this bullshit.

Author:	Sly_Wolf [ Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:33 pm ]
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More proof that fitness trainers don't always know their about health and fitness. Eat whatever they want? Sure, you can go on a mcdonalds diet and still get a six pack if you make your macros work. You will look healthy on the outside but your health will be a fucking mess in actuality. Genes will either prolong the inevitable disease from that kind of diet or you will get it sooner if you have bad genes. I hate when ignorant trainers give health advice to ignorant clients. If all you care about is the means to an end which is make the client achieve his goal at any means neccesary, then you are not really focusing on improving their well being which is really what a trainer should do. People have allergies, nutrient deficiencies, lots of toxins, etc. They obviously don't know how to take care of themselves and eat/live a healthy lifestyle which is why they hired you in the first place. Telling them to eat whatever they want is dangerous advice and very irresponsible for someone who is trusted with another's health and well being. Educate yourself before you educate others. This goes to everyone.

Author:	SOUL_FIGHTER [ Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:47 pm ]
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Excuse me sir, what's your degree in? I didn't realize that you were a certified professional. Clearly I'm around fitness 10-12 hours a day, so I have no idea what I'm talking about. What's your sports background? Have you been ranked nationally as an athlete in your activity of choice? Do you even lift? I'll bet my fitness against yours or any of these intermittent fasters anyday. There's a reason why top athletes are constantly eating all day. The only time I ever "fast" is when I was cutting weight.

Author:	Sly_Wolf [ Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:36 am ]
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I do lift and I also practice mma for years. I am not a professional athlete nor a biologist/biochemist, but I have educated myself, spoken to professionals, nutritionist, teachers and doctors. It's easy to be a certified trainer and was my second career choice but decided to do something else and keep fitness/nutrition as a hobby. I've seen studies and evidence to prove my argument and I'm not talking about no bro science. I'll start writing a blog on fitness and nutrition while citing credible sources to raise awareness as soon as I organize my time and priorities. I didn't even mention intermittent fasting, my whole post was on eating whatever you want which is a dangerous statement. If you're gonna tell me athletes eat junk most of their careers and perform on their optimum level, then stop posting now cause it's not worth debating. There are times where an athlete can stuff a lot of carbs like pizza and all and be fine because they burn it off for fuel. Michel Phelps is a good example of this. However, this is not a regular basis type of thing. My rule of thumb is, Macros are about body composition whereas Micro nutrients are about health. If you eat whatever you want and that includes junk that shouldnt even be allowed to be called food since most are genetically modified in America, then you are putting extra stress and toxins on your body which accumulates as you get older and the problems start to show up. If you don't get rid off these toxins, you increase your chances of disease. I'm sure you're also aware Mr. Fitness trainer that exercising causes free radicals in the body and if you don't eat the nutrients and antioxidants to fight that along with the many other toxins and pollutions from daily life, you think it's no big deal? There have been bodybuilders and athletes who have gotten illnesses even though they looked healthy on the outside. Don't forget that you're a fitness trainer. Don't let your ego tell you that you're more then that aka a nutritionist/health adviser without proper education. As a fitness trainer, your goal is to make your client fit and you can do this with any diet as long as you meet your macros, however, fitness should also be about health and well being. In fact, that should be more important then how you look and getting abs. What's the point of being shredded if your body is suffering inside? Understand what I'm saying now?

Author:	SOUL_FIGHTER [ Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:11 am ]
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Because at 8% bodyfat, 52 resting heartrate, I'm sure my body's just fine inside. Most of my diet is pretty clean, but in order to put on mass, I just need those filler calories. And thats when I scarf down a pop-tart with my weightgainer shake post workout or take a trip to McDonalds between meals for a McDouble. Michael Phelps is a PRIME example of macros and you said it yourself. The guy eats whole pizzas and has more gold medals than anybody. So what point were you trying to make? When you train and compete at a high level, you scarf down anything with calories or your shit will just atrophy.

Author:	Sly_Wolf [ Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:31 am ]
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My point was very clear, I'm not gonna repeat it a third time. There are lots of calorie dense foods you can use without it being junk but if you eat junk every now and then, it usually isnt a big deal. Especially if you know what you're doing. However, since most people in the world are eating more and more junk on a daily basis, it has become a huge deal that is causing a lot of suffering worldwide, so if you're gonna train someone to be fit, please don't just tell them to eat whatever they want unless you don't care and just want to fill up your pockets, or you're actually ignorant about nutrition and don't know better which is a problem since you're a personal trainer who people are trusting with their well being. Re-read my posts if you need to, but stop asking what my point is. I have been thoroughly clear and don't see the point in adding anymore to it. Good luck on your future endeavors and hope your clients are smart enough to educate themselves even if you choose not to.

Author:	SOUL_FIGHTER [ Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:54 am ]
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If people worked out properly, nobody would need these diet bullshits. I'm not buying into your frame.

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Author:	Faust23 [ Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:08 pm ]
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Quote: If people worked out properly, nobody would need these diet bullshits. I'm not buying into your frame. Dude are you serious. Please eat nothing but McDonalds for a year and tell us your bodyfat%. I am sure your workout is so great you can eat crap all day. 1hr on a treadmill is 600 calories I am sorry I would rather eat healthy than running a marathon everyday. Also getting some degree in fitness means almost nothing I have seen trainers giving terrible advice, I have seen trainers on bodybuilder.com forums asking for advice, I have seen trainers who look like crap at the gym.