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Well, if you want to get started and have no experience you should start anywhere you can get your "foot in the door".

Learn how to mix drinks well. Learn to mix EVERY drink under the sun. Where I live in the US there are bartending schools.

Things employers at clubs and bars look for are: 1) experience 2) good customer service and social skills. 2) attractiveness. Experienced people make better drinks, friendly out going social people sell more drinks, people are most likely to order more drinks from an attractive member of the opposite sex. Each equates to more money for the establishment.

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I have read that bartending schools are not necessary and that some employers will not hire someone who went to one. Attractiveness, well I hope like hell a skinny pale guy is hireable. I don't like coming up with excuses on here but everytime I ask some advice someone always comes up with answers that make it seem like I have to crawl out of bigger holes.

Well, to be fair, you asked what sort of bars are going to hire you. Some bars will hire anyone and train you up, some will want the things that dlightmen suggests. There's no hard and fast rule really, just luck and who applies where and at the right time. If you don't want to go through the effort of training etc, then just apply to as many jobs as possible and see if you get lucky with some.

More importantly for me though - why do you need to get into bar tending to have a good social life? Plenty of other ways. Join a sports club or do something you enjoy. You don't seem to have any specific reason to go into bartending like you enjoy making cocktails or need the money from a casual job, so try it if you really want to, or find something else if you don't.

Author:	will29 [ Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:31 pm ]
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That I need to get into bartending to build an attractive lifestyle. At 30, what bars would hire me? I don't think formal education is required for jobs like these and if it meant I should be a server to work my way up I would. But where should I start out serving? At a restaurant or bar? If i serve at a restaurant I'll give the impression I'm an uneducated loser. I think bar servers are just cooler. And I hear this is one of the attractive jobs. Also should I look up all the liquors on the internet to see what they all look like?

Author:	dlightmen [ Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:40 pm ]
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Well, if you want to get started and have no experience you should start anywhere you can get your "foot in the door". Learn how to mix drinks well. Learn to mix EVERY drink under the sun. Where I live in the US there are bartending schools. Things employers at clubs and bars look for are: 1) experience 2) good customer service and social skills. 2) attractiveness. Experienced people make better drinks, friendly out going social people sell more drinks, people are most likely to order more drinks from an attractive member of the opposite sex. Each equates to more money for the establishment.

Author:	will29 [ Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:29 pm ]
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Quote: Well, if you want to get started and have no experience you should start anywhere you can get your "foot in the door". Learn how to mix drinks well. Learn to mix EVERY drink under the sun. Where I live in the US there are bartending schools. Things employers at clubs and bars look for are: 1) experience 2) good customer service and social skills. 2) attractiveness. Experienced people make better drinks, friendly out going social people sell more drinks, people are most likely to order more drinks from an attractive member of the opposite sex. Each equates to more money for the establishment. I have read that bartending schools are not necessary and that some employers will not hire someone who went to one. Attractiveness, well I hope like hell a skinny pale guy is hireable. I don't like coming up with excuses on here but everytime I ask some advice someone always comes up with answers that make it seem like I have to crawl out of bigger holes.

Author:	7000 [ Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:08 pm ]
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Well, to be fair, you asked what sort of bars are going to hire you. Some bars will hire anyone and train you up, some will want the things that dlightmen suggests. There's no hard and fast rule really, just luck and who applies where and at the right time. If you don't want to go through the effort of training etc, then just apply to as many jobs as possible and see if you get lucky with some. More importantly for me though - why do you need to get into bar tending to have a good social life? Plenty of other ways. Join a sports club or do something you enjoy. You don't seem to have any specific reason to go into bartending like you enjoy making cocktails or need the money from a casual job, so try it if you really want to, or find something else if you don't.

Author:	Spacevolt [ Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:29 pm ]
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in order to become a bartender you need to at lesst memorize the most popular drinks such as mojitos.margaritas. amfs. ect.. at the restaurant i worked at the bartenders always carried a book of all the drinks and i would catch them looking at them when they didnt know thedrinks.. its not hard but you need alot of practice. learning the ratios and the garnishes that go along each drink... and dont worry about your age just look sharp and friendly and i bet you can have girls attracted to you.

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Author:	dlightmen [ Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:59 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: Well, if you want to get started and have no experience you should start anywhere you can get your "foot in the door". Learn how to mix drinks well. Learn to mix EVERY drink under the sun. Where I live in the US there are bartending schools. Things employers at clubs and bars look for are: 1) experience 2) good customer service and social skills. 2) attractiveness. Experienced people make better drinks, friendly out going social people sell more drinks, people are most likely to order more drinks from an attractive member of the opposite sex. Each equates to more money for the establishment. I have read that bartending schools are not necessary and that some employers will not hire someone who went to one. Attractiveness, well I hope like hell a skinny pale guy is hireable. I don't like coming up with excuses on here but everytime I ask some advice someone always comes up with answers that make it seem like I have to crawl out of bigger holes. As a business owner myself, I could not see not hiring a person just because of a school they attended. In the US that is ruled as discrimination. As far as being "pale". That has nothing to do with anything. :$ If you are referring to attractiveness, and worried you would not fit the bill (I would not either at higher-end trendy clubs), like I said.... Mix drinks well and be friendly and social. If your shift sells lots of drinks it makes the owners happy. One of my friends attended a bar crafting academy just so he could get a job. Even though he already had experience at mixing drinks and tending. He wanted (and finally did) want to work for a bigger club in the Seattle area.

Author:	will29 [ Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:34 am ]
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Quote: Well, to be fair, you asked what sort of bars are going to hire you. Some bars will hire anyone and train you up, some will want the things that dlightmen suggests. There's no hard and fast rule really, just luck and who applies where and at the right time. If you don't want to go through the effort of training etc, then just apply to as many jobs as possible and see if you get lucky with some. More importantly for me though - why do you need to get into bar tending to have a good social life? Plenty of other ways. Join a sports club or do something you enjoy. You don't seem to have any specific reason to go into bartending like you enjoy making cocktails or need the money from a casual job, so try it if you really want to, or find something else if you don't. Well see, thats the thing I do need the money too. I have a medical situation I want taken care of and its gonna cost maybe $1500 for it. Also, I need to get the money for working out and no joining the gym isnt the issue, but the food part. And I need some other kind of lessons. And Idk why, but the bar scene is something that is intriguing me lately. And yes I do want the proper training, which is why i mentioned work my way up. He was making it seem like I need experience right off the bat. Wouldnt the managers who assigned me to a server or barback eventually give me the go-around on drinks and all? I do want to join a sports club too, but I need the money for things.

Author:	7000 [ Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:59 am ]
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Fair enough - if you need the money and it is interesting you a bit, then yeah go for it. Just from your opening post it sounded almost as if this was your "last resort" rather than something you actually wanted to do. But if it you need the money, then yeah go for it. Although again - keep your horizons broad, if you don't get a job bar tending, then get a job somewhere else, no biggie. That can pay for your medical needs, food, sports club fees etc. And you can fulfill the social needs some other way. What I'm trying to say is don't necessarily get your heart stuck on one thing, if it doesn't work out, there are plenty of other ways to make things work! But for the second part of your post, it's a bit of a circle. If you apply for a job, and the manager narrows it down to you and someone else - you've both got good social skills etc. BUT the other person already has more experience than you, then the manager is probably going to go for that person, as he won't have to spend the money and time on training him up, which he would have to do for you. That's what dlightmen was getting at - experience is never a bad thing, it's not always a must, but it never really hurts. If you haven't got the money to do a training course in your own time at the moment, then as I say, just go out and apply for loads of jobs. You're right - if you do find one, then they will eventually train you more and, as long as you're good and work hard, will more than likely eventually move you up to bar work. Good luck!

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