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OMG not even 60 - what the FUCK then!! (WARNING: Emo!)
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Author:  Rimbow [ Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:52 pm ]
Post subject:  OMG not even 60 - what the FUCK then!! (WARNING: Emo!)
wanted to post this in the review-section, but wasn't allowed. Okay the buttom line is: Have being experimenting with 60 the last two weeks. Update: Went to a party today - N' got totally OWMED by EVERYONE I know and don't know using 60. Think I understand very well the meaning and use of sexual tension - but got kicked out of EVERY GOD DAMN SET. NO positive resonse whatsoever. No "connection" to any woman at all.

Had so much trust in this method and this view on seduction. The writing is no matter what BRILLIANT. But must say I'm becomming sceptical of all this hype about anti-PUA's like 60, Aaron Sleazy & The Letter.

Not bitter (well maybe) but just feeling like loosing the only one's who had anything clever to say about sedcution.

Thx for reading. Please feel free to coment.
Author:  AdamThomas [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:56 am ]
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What exactly did you do to get kicked out of every set? And what happened?
Author:  Rimbow [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:56 am ]
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Ok I see now this post was unnecesarily angry and pessimistic. What exactly happened was... Well, when I first learned 60 I had great results. But know, as I put more and more emphasis on sexual tension, I begin to see it's flaws. At least I think I do.

Not only does a person using a lot of sexual tension RISK being creepy, he simply BECOMES creepy. Which was what happened. Sets could sense it miles away, and the result was a lot of turned backs.

Typical scenario: Goes up to a girl, says "cheers!", milks the intro, holds eyecontact while really pushing the sexual tension. Says a few words about the venue maybe - silence where I hope to build more tension. After silence, she simply turns her back or leaves. That's the pattern.

While my other friends were having great conversations with girls and building a connection, my "game" seemed to be destroyed by (1) too much focus on sexual tension or (2) using it too early in interaction.

Any ideas on how to handle sexual tension as it still seems like a powerful way of communicating underlying desires?
Author:  Amadieus [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:12 pm ]
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I would say don't take it to seriously. 60s that is.

I myself use it to during night game and i also discovered that u need to have a girls attention and to hold it.

So basicly i talk and keep talking with a girl on a calm and relaxed kinda way. not flapping my arms around and talking like hitler at his speeches.

So yeah i keep it cool and ask them some qeustions, give them some statements back and to keep the flow going. Meanwhile i slowy get closer to them. touching them with one hand (The other hand is mostly still in handshake mode) while keeping deep eye contact. When i feel its on, i stop saying anything and then go for the kill.
Author:  AdamThomas [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:51 pm ]
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You were probably being a bit boring. You still need to talk a bit at first, just don't be a high energy dancing monkey and try to entertain the girls too much. The idea is to talk more slowly and eventually get her to do most of the talking while you listen and seduce her.
Author:  Rimbow [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:24 pm ]
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Thanks for the advice guys!

Amadieus: I think you are right about not taking 60 too serious. It seems as if sexual tension might kill a lot of the attraction. Rarely do girls seem really into me (I'm kind of average looking) when I use a lot of sexual tension. So although it might be an unpopular thing to say in new and hip seduction circles, having Mysterys observations on attraction in mind, may be a good idea after all.

I'll just have to experiment I guess
Author:  AdamThomas [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:04 pm ]
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He has some good ideas, I wouldn't say not to take it so seriously, it's just that people misunderstand it a lot of the time - especially the "less talking" part.

It depends on your mindset. If you mindset is "I'm trying to talk less, I'm not going to say much to keep the interaction going" then you will just be boring (I think that was your problem). The idea is to not be a dancing monkey, and to cut out unnecessary small talk that kills tension. If you read 60's stuff properly you'll notice he advises you to approach in a social way first, not seductive. Just don'[t get stuck there like most guys do...
Author:  Rimbow [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:41 pm ]
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I've read quite a lot by 60. But yeah - it might be a good idea to start out social! Thought the only reason to be social was to get the girls attension. It makes sense that the attension should last more than the 2 seconds it takes to say "hi";)

What's your own experiences using 60?
Author:  AdamThomas [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:37 pm ]
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Yeah, since reading his stuff I've improved loads. Just cuts out a lot of the unnecessary bullshit people teach. The problem with most guys is they think they have to tell loads of DHV stories, do routines, be cocky and funny, talk to everybody in the club for "social proof"... all this bullshit that doesn't do anything to get you laid, and actually makes it harder. That's what 60 means by less talking, cutting out the high energy dancing monkey act.

You do have to start off social and carry the conversation, then gradually get her to do most of the talking while you seduce her by having a more seductive vibe.

The more social/high energy you are at first - the harder and longer it will take to get to the seductive listening stage but the less you will get blown out. The more seductive first - quicker seduction but many more blowouts.
Author:  Rimbow [ Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:01 pm ]
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Nice to hear you're having great results! I must say - that although I was really positive about 60 in the beginning, I'm not anymore. Simply dont' see any great results, it's as simple as that :S
Author:  _maestro [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:26 am ]
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Not to thread hijack, but would you guys recommend mixing 60's themes of building sexual tension with things like the Mystery Method? Or will MM only hurt you?
Author:  Riqueza [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:18 am ]
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It seems like you're way to serious about the whole pick-up-thing. If I were you I would losen things up way more. It's all about you having fun, if you get all serious girls will think... 'what a creep', like you said yourselve, he is not fun to be around and they will look someone else up.'

Joke around, be easy to hang out with. Don't care about what happens, losen up control, go with the flow.

I found out that to many guys on this forum read a lot of books and are very good in lines but have no idea use them and take everything to literal, beeing a pick-up-artist is all about having the good mindset rather then having the best pick-up-lines.

I work bars and guys whom are leaving with chicks are the easy-going-fun-guys not the pick-up-line-machines.

Riqueza.
Author:  king0s [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:05 am ]
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dude.. the silence trick is to do AFTER U ARE ALONE WITH UR TARGET OR ATLEAST ISOLATED HER and it is done by seductively looking into her eye and remaining silent for a few seconds before talking again.. U probably know this already.. Sexual tension should be done smoothly..
Author:  AdamThomas [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:45 pm ]
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Quote:
Not to thread hijack, but would you guys recommend mixing 60's themes of building sexual tension with things like the Mystery Method? Or will MM only hurt you?
No, 60's ideas are different to Mystery Method. Mystery Method is based on the idea that attraction is built through social "value" (which is bullshit) whereas 60's idea is that attraction is built through natural sexual tension between guys and girls. Mystery Method is based on routines and following a complex structure, whereas 60 method is all about escalation.

Yeah, I think MM would hurt you.
Author:  Little Panda [ Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:07 pm ]
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I haven't read any of the other replies yet, but here's my view on what you've said.

You approached and opened sets with, for example, 'cheers!'. You then said a sentence or two about the venue and then you purposely put in SILENCE, to build tension?

The girl doesn't know you. YOU walked up to her. And now you say something general and boring about the venue, and then become all quiet? Look at it through her eyes. Pretty creepy and awkward, right?

Don't put in silences. At least, not just yet. Put in silences when she already likes you (attraction being there) and you are having a genuine conversation with her. THIS will now make her qualify herself and it will give you the expected results.

If you simply walk up from the beginning of the interaction and say nothing, expecting her to do all the work because of the 'magical tension' you just created - it's not gonna happen.

You're just a stranger.

From the beginning, I suggest you keep strong eye contact and you let her pull her hand away first. You can even give her a hug and then look her in the eyes as you slowly pull back. That's basically the initial tension you're giving. No more. And then, as the interaction proceeds, you start putting in more tension and you intensify the interaction.
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