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I have some theories concerning naturals:

They pick from what they can get. In other words they know when they got a shot at a girl and when they are "cold calling". They go into a room make eye contact with multiple girls and just know what they have a shot at.

They due to body language, social proof, confidence, presence, etc. have a larger selection of possible mates off of visual acceptable.

They just seem to understand when a girl is proceptive (sending signals). They know that a girl looking at you across the room is sending a sign. They know it is an invitation to come and interact.

They have a natural ability to read body language. They know when a girl likes them, when they don't. They know when to escalate, when to respond, when to speed up or slow up. In short they are very responsive to a women and her needs.

They have confidence in themselves in relation to the courtship process. They seem to have an instinctual confidence in their ability to go through the courtship process. This to me is nothing more then confidence in their "intuition"(able to naturally understand female body language).

They never ever seem to get rejected because of their ability to move on when nothing is there, they can't get every women(though a large selection may love him), but they seem to. They get a lot of women but they can't get every women.

I think there are a lot of myths about a natural that have got exaggerated due to their seemingly ridiculous "powers". There may be some epic naturals out there, I don't think there is a guy who can seduce almost any women regardless of their "looks", character, etc.

Author:	chick MAGNETO [ Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:41 am ]
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Natural game is the hot topic of the hour. But the question still remains: are natural gamers/puas better than naturals or vice versa? Sinn once said that he slept with 350 women after doing 10,000 sets. And most other puas are no where near to 350. That gives a ratio of 3.5 lays per 100 approaches. Discarding his first 2000 sets for practice, it still is 350 lays for 8000 sets which is less than 1 lay per 20 approaches. Thus an mpua who is really good looking has a success rate of 1/20. Others have lower success rates. And they are in field gaming day and night most of the time. But naturals(not all) can get these numbers with less than 1/10th of approaches and time. Some naturals dont even approach but still get laid like crazy. If zan perrion's stories are true, he has been with about 1200 girls and he doesnt even do much cold approaches. Now i am not bashing puas or anything. I am just posting facts based on my observations and research. What I mean is even though one can get really good with pua stuff, there are plenty of naturals so powerful that they can put any pua to shame with their seduction skills. So in that sense , one can never be as good as a true natural.

Author:	AFCmack [ Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:39 am ]
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I think zan perrion is generally attractive to women in the first place even if he was working at a petrol station hed have girls interested in him.Some 'naturals' are born on third base and think theyve hit the home run.I think sinn struggled to get attraction in the first place.David X might be an example of an ugly natural but then again he worked in the porn industry so a great place to learn with sexually comfortable girls.

Author:	poeticlyskuac [ Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:15 am ]
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I have some theories concerning naturals: They pick from what they can get. In other words they know when they got a shot at a girl and when they are "cold calling". They go into a room make eye contact with multiple girls and just know what they have a shot at. They due to body language, social proof, confidence, presence, etc. have a larger selection of possible mates off of visual acceptable. They just seem to understand when a girl is proceptive (sending signals). They know that a girl looking at you across the room is sending a sign. They know it is an invitation to come and interact. They have a natural ability to read body language. They know when a girl likes them, when they don't. They know when to escalate, when to respond, when to speed up or slow up. In short they are very responsive to a women and her needs. They have confidence in themselves in relation to the courtship process. They seem to have an instinctual confidence in their ability to go through the courtship process. This to me is nothing more then confidence in their "intuition"(able to naturally understand female body language). They never ever seem to get rejected because of their ability to move on when nothing is there, they can't get every women(though a large selection may love him), but they seem to. They get a lot of women but they can't get every women. I think there are a lot of myths about a natural that have got exaggerated due to their seemingly ridiculous "powers". There may be some epic naturals out there, I don't think there is a guy who can seduce almost any women regardless of their "looks", character, etc.

Author:	chick MAGNETO [ Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:02 pm ]
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I agree. A Natural's powers of pick up are exaggerated. But one has to realize that naturals are humans too. There are average naturals and powerful naturals. naturals have limiting beliefs too. Most mpuas are better than average naturals i think. But there are powerful seducers who any person learning game will never beat. For eg. bill clinton and david spade were sleeping with models and actresses even before they became famous. pua Brad P has 2 natural friends, joe natural and pheromone kid. Even though they r his assistants, he has said in his audio that he doesnt have their success rate. Brad p in kid's audio says he can get girls to bathroom in 10 mins but cant escalate after that. He runs into resistance(cant even get a bj). But the kid has a 60% f close rate! so whatever pua community might say its still true that naturals have some 'x factor'. some arcane thing going on that no one knows. maybe I will find out what it is one day. Cheers

Author:	poeticlyskuac [ Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:33 pm ]
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Quote: I agree. A Natural's powers of pick up are exaggerated. But one has to realize that naturals are humans too. There are average naturals and powerful naturals. naturals have limiting beliefs too. Most mpuas are better than average naturals i think. But there are powerful seducers who any person learning game will never beat. For eg. bill clinton and david spade were sleeping with models and actresses even before they became famous. pua Brad P has 2 natural friends, joe natural and pheromone kid. Even though they r his assistants, he has said in his audio that he doesnt have their success rate. Brad p in kid's audio says he can get girls to bathroom in 10 mins but cant escalate after that. He runs into resistance(cant even get a bj). But the kid has a 60% f close rate! so whatever pua community might say its still true that naturals have some 'x factor'. some arcane thing going on that no one knows. maybe I will find out what it is one day. Cheers Most PUAs aren't naturally responsive to women, naturals are. In fact none are, hence the word natural. I also have another couple theories that naturals choose out a women who is more likely to be ovulating. Women who are ovulating are more likely to be open to sex. Naturals "sense" a woman's arousal, they have a natural of understanding of how to arouse a women, and easy natural escalation. When you choose from a pool you already have a high probability of coitus with, natural responsiveness(responsive to a woman's body language), confidence, and an instinctual understanding of the courtship process you will have a very high success rate. If you add good looks and taking care of one's self(dress well, smell well, etc. ) to all of this then you will be very good with women. I take a scientific outlook on everything so I believe everything can be learned.

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Author:	andd95 [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:07 am ]
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it goes in line with what something a friend said to me once. Mind you the guy gets women left and right in ANY setting. That if only 1 out of 100 women say yes to you, you only have to work through 99 "no" answers.

Author:	SeanArcher [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:45 am ]
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Quote: I have some theories concerning naturals: They pick from what they can get. In other words they know when they got a shot at a girl and when they are "cold calling". They go into a room make eye contact with multiple girls and just know what they have a shot at. They due to body language, social proof, confidence, presence, etc. have a larger selection of possible mates off of visual acceptable. They just seem to understand when a girl is proceptive (sending signals). They know that a girl looking at you across the room is sending a sign. They know it is an invitation to come and interact. They have a natural ability to read body language. They know when a girl likes them, when they don't. They know when to escalate, when to respond, when to speed up or slow up. In short they are very responsive to a women and her needs. They have confidence in themselves in relation to the courtship process. They seem to have an instinctual confidence in their ability to go through the courtship process. This to me is nothing more then confidence in their "intuition"(able to naturally understand female body language). They never ever seem to get rejected because of their ability to move on when nothing is there, they can't get every women(though a large selection may love him), but they seem to. They get a lot of women but they can't get every women. I think there are a lot of myths about a natural that have got exaggerated due to their seemingly ridiculous "powers". There may be some epic naturals out there, I don't think there is a guy who can seduce almost any women regardless of their "looks", character, etc. repped

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