Books on Natural Game is the ultimate oxymoron

Books on Natural Game is the ultimate oxymoron

I disagree with this, you can always learn how to be natural from reading books. Now I know what you mean that being a natural with women by reading a book is an oxymoron. But what really is a natural? These are traits, expressions, and body language that aren't instilled in everyone. There are books to help you become a natural, they won't teach you how to seduce but they'll teach you how to be confident, to be a leader and to have charisma. All these characteristics that will surely attract anyone. You can say to a girl "Hi, my name is..." she can be either turned on or turned off depending on how you see yourself.

Booklist:

How to Win Friends and Influence People - Dale Carnegie
Think and Grow Rich - Napoleon Hill
Magic of Thinking Big - David J. Schwartzdino
The Greatest Salesman in the World - Og Man
Any John C. Maxwell Books
Positive Personality Profiles - Robert A. Rohm

Not one of those books is dedicated to natural game. All of those are focused on developing yourself which is good but as far as natural game goes they have little to do with it. Understanding the courtship process, sending correct signal, and deciphering the same message are the key to being natural.

You listed great books at least the 2 I of the 5 I have read. That said you didn't list one book that will help with actual courtship.

Actually there are a lot of things that naturals do that comes out of those books. Like I said these books aren't meant to teach you how to do NLP, Cocky Funny, Esp, Routines, ect. (But Think and Grow Rich has a chapter called "The Mystery of Sex Transmutation"). These books will help you develop your inner self which is far more powerful than knowing what to say to a girl to make her like you (Theres are chapters in these books that will help you gain attraction). I believe that the number one problem why men can't get attraction to women is them themselves. Like Molson said being 'books on natural game is the ultimate oxymoron". Work yourself out first then everything thing else will come to shape.

I stand by my point, being a powerful character has nothing to do with reading body language. Sending the right message, receive the right message, etc.

Perfect example, I had a lot of girls like me through out my life. I had no idea the other half, you see what I am saying? I have had girls crush on me for a long time and I was clueless. So you are crazy to think any differently, if you ask me about body language through out courtship and what a "natural" does their personality traits mean nothing, in comparison to their body language, what they send, and receive.

They are all great books to read, I think people should but you don't seem to understand where I am coming from. I believe you should always be working on yourself but you can work on yourself and learn. Learning about naturals and courtship. Body Language, reading and showing.

There is a difference between working on yourself(which you should) and understanding courtship. Spreading to learning while working on yourself should be part of working on yourself.

You know what your right to the fact that these books aren't specific enough to talk about courting or dating. The thing is its hard to understand what a natural is though. You can read one of the dating books and it might say "Be confident talk to a girl and say Hi". What comes after this is the most frustrating thing men ever have to go with and that is ....."ugh what do I do next?" Then the book will say "Do some NLP, Kino, ESP"... Then they go "Ok I got this ...Hi can I see you hand?" a girl can say "Ughh No you creeper!". Then what? Seriously guys start blaming themselves and it all starts going downhill. These books cope with failure too something that beginners have a hard time dealing with. Its something to consider about it'll help you work on the aspects that women can be attracted to and ultimately that aspect is you. When you were shy about your crushes there were chapters in the books that will help you gain self-esteem and dare you to fail. I see where your coming from but giving an emo kid Double Your Dating is like having a blind man fly a jet.

A wise man learns from his own mistakes and a wiser man learns from the mistakes of others. Why not accept the knowledge required to be successful?

It's just as good to have a parachute now that you have the balls to jump out the plane.

We'll what about experiences? What do with them? I agree that I would rather save time by learning the mistakes of others. But what do I do with that knowledge how will I use it?
But can you pull the parachute on-time and land safely?

Experiences are good but it is the successful experiences that we cherish. Failure is a lesson, but the experiences we cherish is success. Some cherish the lesson and that is fine but more often then not the value we gain from failure is what we cherish.

If you gain the tool (learn the information), then you need to learn to use the tool efficiently. After all you don't dig a hole with a hammer, You don't bang a nail with a shovel (given the choice). You have to learn to use a tool properly, if not you won't have any use for it at all.

I'd rather jump out a plane with a parachute and a chance at pulling it on time, then jump out without a parachute and no chance of pulling. I am sure most sky divers feel the same.

Once you gain balls, you must gain the information. That may be through experiences over and over again. That may be through reading and studying. After that you have to learn to use it properly and at the right time. Why add the extra step of learning the information through failure? Why not learn the information first and fail with it? Then slowly correct it's use. You will learn what "works" but you won't learn why. That is a problem, it lengthens the learning curve. Then you learn to use the tools properly and are a success all around.

I do want to add this is a fun conversation. Enjoying it immensely.