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Author:  MickCoffee [ Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Why eject when you don't need to?
Yes it's a long read but I assure you, you will change your way of thinking towards pick up with this.

I've been a committed member in the world of pick up for 9 months now. Following the MM for about 4 months to start myself of and then the rest I have followed the advice of Gambler and AFCAdam after deciding MM wasn't for me.

However, while following the MM I've noticed something that men make a lot of mistakes doing. Mystery advises us to use the stacking of canned material to hook girls in a set. This ofcourse does work if done properly but if not the stacking of material can look try hard and the set immediately looses interest.

Wouldn't it be better to pick up girls in a natural schematic of conversation? I would say so. We don't need to stack multiple conversations to hook sets because an alpha male (presuming that's what you want to be) wouldn't sell all his value selling stories or openers. An alpha male would create negetive energy and would go quiet, allowing the woman to talk about their own topics or he would become interested in other things in the room. For example, the man walking around wearing goggles and a furry top hat :wink: and then come back in the conversation.

This is a natural schematic of conversation but we are lead to believe by mystery (as much as I respect him) that we need to hook sets based on stacking multiple conversational threads. Which if fails, we have to eject to preserve our value or we will be blown out of set. We need to escape that PU norm and bring ourselves back to using natural schematics of conversation. Go quiet or if your becoming disinteresting move your interest to something else. If these are truly beautiful women who get hit on all the time and you are conveying interest in something else, that DHV's through your inner quality - which is so greater than any story you could come up with.

Me personally, I don't want to be a natural pick up artist, I want to be a natural alpha male who uses natural conversation and body language. If pick up follows with that, then it's a bonus.

AFCCoffee :twisted:
Author:  Shyler [ Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:37 pm ]
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If you're talking with, let's say, a hb9 who gets hit on all the time, and if you then show disinterest ( which means that you're body language is changing and that you're not actually listening to her), I don't think that you DHV, but show that you're an AFC to be honest. Alfa males are able to hold eye contact with a hb, AFCs cannot.
Girls also don't like men to whom they're talking to and who don't listen to them, unless it's playfully done to tease her or when you were talking to someone else and she is interupting.

I do agree with the core of what you try to say, which is that during pickup we should act more natural. In the series "keys to the vip", you often see guys opening girls in a club with a natural line like "hey guys how are you doing?", and some of them are even able to kiss-close from that one (strangely enough to my opinion). Sometimes we put all our confidence in lines and routines, that we forget that you actualy can get girls just by acting normal/natural. Just being funny, interesting, having a good body language and being sexual will get you laid and you don't need routines to have those qualities.

However, I do think that during pickup it's not bad to use a few routines. We often think of story telling as openly qualifying themselfs for girls and bragging, but you should not forget that if you use these kind of routines, that everything you say about yourself should be subtle and mysterious, so that she will be wondering if the pua is rich, succesfull, sexual, popular, etc. I think that the MM also says that.
Author:  -enjoi- [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:11 am ]
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If you're talking with, let's say, a hb9 who gets hit on all the time, and if you then show disinterest ( which means that you're body language is changing and that you're not actually listening to her), I don't think that you DHV, but show that you're an AFC to be honest. Alfa males are able to hold eye contact with a hb, AFCs cannot.
Girls also don't like men to whom they're talking to and who don't listen to them, unless it's playfully done to tease her or when you were talking to someone else and she is interupting.

I do agree with the core of what you try to say, which is that during pickup we should act more natural. In the series "keys to the vip", you often see guys opening girls in a club with a natural line like "hey guys how are you doing?", and some of them are even able to kiss-close from that one (strangely enough to my opinion). Sometimes we put all our confidence in lines and routines, that we forget that you actualy can get girls just by acting normal/natural. Just being funny, interesting, having a good body language and being sexual will get you laid and you don't need routines to have those qualities.

However, I do think that during pickup it's not bad to use a few routines. We often think of story telling as openly qualifying themselfs for girls and bragging, but you should not forget that if you use these kind of routines, that everything you say about yourself should be subtle and mysterious, so that she will be wondering if the pua is rich, succesfull, sexual, popular, etc. I think that the MM also says that.
I agree with Shyler, while it's easy to say "I'll just AMOG my way into her heart" the only reason that most AMOGs get girls in the first place is due to their looks. That's where the arrogance comes from. It's much more efficient to be cool and suave and pay attention to what she's saying.

One liners and scripted routines may not seem "natural" but they should all be your own experiences. You shouldn't be regurgitating material from other people, but using the theory behind MPUAs stories and applying towards your own. I guess it all depends on if you want to pick up the hb10s one out of every 10 times, or 8 out of 10 times.
Author:  -enjoi- [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:12 am ]
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If you're talking with, let's say, a hb9 who gets hit on all the time, and if you then show disinterest ( which means that you're body language is changing and that you're not actually listening to her), I don't think that you DHV, but show that you're an AFC to be honest. Alfa males are able to hold eye contact with a hb, AFCs cannot.
Girls also don't like men to whom they're talking to and who don't listen to them, unless it's playfully done to tease her or when you were talking to someone else and she is interupting.

I do agree with the core of what you try to say, which is that during pickup we should act more natural. In the series "keys to the vip", you often see guys opening girls in a club with a natural line like "hey guys how are you doing?", and some of them are even able to kiss-close from that one (strangely enough to my opinion). Sometimes we put all our confidence in lines and routines, that we forget that you actualy can get girls just by acting normal/natural. Just being funny, interesting, having a good body language and being sexual will get you laid and you don't need routines to have those qualities.

However, I do think that during pickup it's not bad to use a few routines. We often think of story telling as openly qualifying themselfs for girls and bragging, but you should not forget that if you use these kind of routines, that everything you say about yourself should be subtle and mysterious, so that she will be wondering if the pua is rich, succesfull, sexual, popular, etc. I think that the MM also says that.
I agree with Shyler, while it's easy to say "I'll just AMOG my way into her heart" the only reason that most AMOGs get girls in the first place is due to their looks. That's where the arrogance comes from. It's much more efficient to be cool and suave and pay attention to what she's saying.

One liners and scripted routines may not seem "natural" but they should all be your own experiences. You shouldn't be regurgitating material from other people, but using the theory behind MPUAs stories and applying towards your own. I guess it all depends on if you want to pick up the hb10s one out of every 10 times, or 8 out of 10 times.
Author:  MickCoffee [ Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:01 pm ]
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If you're talking with, let's say, a hb9 who gets hit on all the time, and if you then show disinterest ( which means that you're body language is changing and that you're not actually listening to her), I don't think that you DHV, but show that you're an AFC to be honest. Alfa males are able to hold eye contact with a hb, AFCs cannot.
Girls also don't like men to whom they're talking to and who don't listen to them, unless it's playfully done to tease her or when you were talking to someone else and she is interupting.

I do agree with the core of what you try to say, which is that during pickup we should act more natural. In the series "keys to the vip", you often see guys opening girls in a club with a natural line like "hey guys how are you doing?", and some of them are even able to kiss-close from that one (strangely enough to my opinion). Sometimes we put all our confidence in lines and routines, that we forget that you actualy can get girls just by acting normal/natural. Just being funny, interesting, having a good body language and being sexual will get you laid and you don't need routines to have those qualities.

However, I do think that during pickup it's not bad to use a few routines. We often think of story telling as openly qualifying themselfs for girls and bragging, but you should not forget that if you use these kind of routines, that everything you say about yourself should be subtle and mysterious, so that she will be wondering if the pua is rich, succesfull, sexual, popular, etc. I think that the MM also says that.
I agree with Shyler, while it's easy to say "I'll just AMOG my way into her heart" the only reason that most AMOGs get girls in the first place is due to their looks. That's where the arrogance comes from. It's much more efficient to be cool and suave and pay attention to what she's saying.

One liners and scripted routines may not seem "natural" but they should all be your own experiences. You shouldn't be regurgitating material from other people, but using the theory behind MPUAs stories and applying towards your own. I guess it all depends on if you want to pick up the hb10s one out of every 10 times, or 8 out of 10 times.
Enjoi, may I suggest you rethink what you just said about alpha males because you are wrong. I know a lot of AM who are not good looking yet they get a fair amount of girls. An Alpha Male is decided by the majority of his inner qualities rather than the outer. He has self-confidence, self-belief, he is a successful leader, he challenges woman and most importantly like the group he leads, he respects them. Looks have little to do with it.

And yes, you can read experiences from other PUA's and apply them to your own lifestyle but what good will that do you in your life? That would have little impact on your natural game because you are relying on that structure to get you women. If that structure fails you whilst out on the field, you're fucked and you'll probably panic not knowing what to do and possibly eject.
Author:  MickCoffee [ Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:48 pm ]
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If you're talking with, let's say, a hb9 who gets hit on all the time, and if you then show disinterest ( which means that you're body language is changing and that you're not actually listening to her), I don't think that you DHV, but show that you're an AFC to be honest. Alfa males are able to hold eye contact with a hb, AFCs cannot.
Girls also don't like men to whom they're talking to and who don't listen to them, unless it's playfully done to tease her or when you were talking to someone else and she is interupting.
You say that because you've probably been taught that by another PUA and I admit, I agree with you - not holding eye contact with someone is very unconfident and AFC but that is not what I am trying to point out. I am pointing out that we do not need to continously show interest in something that we are losing interest in and showing that you are losing interest is (in the HB9's eyes) an alpha quality because it shows she is less interesting. It DHVs.
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I do agree with the core of what you try to say, which is that during pickup we should act more natural. In the series "keys to the vip", you often see guys opening girls in a club with a natural line like "hey guys how are you doing?", and some of them are even able to kiss-close from that one (strangely enough to my opinion). Sometimes we put all our confidence in lines and routines, that we forget that you actualy can get girls just by acting normal/natural. Just being funny, interesting, having a good body language and being sexual will get you laid and you don't need routines to have those qualities
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Exactly! and also, getting women through your natural game is far more rewarding.

AFCCoffee :twisted:
Author:  poeticlyskuac [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:51 am ]
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Yeah, I very rarely have to eject. Most of the time I just want to eject, sometimes if you are doing things incredibly wrong or you offended them quite a bit you should save face. I find it rare that you need to ever do this, in fact with great practice you should be able to always leave on your own good terms. However, when you are learning the game it is good to know if you are just not impressing them and should move on. With time you should eject less and less often, to where it is an absolutely rare moment when it occurs.
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