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Author:  MickCoffee [ Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:45 pm ]
Post subject:  AFCCoffee's Metagame

:twisted: The Metagame :twisted:

Look, I know you guys hate reading long posts but please find the time to read this.
Currently I do natural gaming and to build attraction with a female I use Adam Lyons (AFCAdam's) method of attraction - (C-R)+Q+SE=A Using this, I have noticed that it only applies to sarging a single target rather than sarging in a group. Usually when I'm in a group I would resort back to using MM and normally it feels uncomfortable because I know it is not the real me.

So now I have used this time to create a new type of gaming called..

Group Sarging
The difference between this method to the mystery method is that we are going to use Attention, Immediate Preselection and Social Proof as a way of attracting the target without any direct gaming.

Thus I have redesigned the gaming into the following: (>Int+PS+>SP) + (C-R)+Q+SE = A
What I would like you to do is when at a social event look at the different types of groups in the vicinity and in your mind, put a shape on top of all of them based on their structure. Sometimes you shall find that that a 3 set will be a triangle, a 4 set will be a circle maybe sometimes a square. Now when you look at the group I would like you to determine who the alpha female is. You will find out by what direction everybody's body language is facing based on the most interesting person. This is the female you want and you shall get her by being more interesting than she is.

Opening
Remember how I was talking about shapes? Well, where you open is very important you want to be opposite of the alpha female/target so she feels that all attention has been taken from her and is now transposed to you. Use an opener that is Interactive, Interesting and Gains Attention. The alpha female will become a little insecure and will try to participate, let her but put less investment in her and more onto the other females. Give them a more rewarding experience than the alpha female so their interest is placed on you now. If you have more interest than the alpha female then she's not so alpha anymore. (>Int
**If the alpha female does attempt to take back attention then simply neg her for interrupting then continue..
Afterwards, you want to take the alpha females position so you are now the centre of attention. Do this with a kino exercise, ask her to hold your hands and mimic you, then spin her round with one hand and as you are doing it, smoothly slide into her position and voila.

Gain Preselection of The Other Females
This can simply be done through female friendly conversation. Alpha Males can indulge in a female conversation as well as a male conversation. So use a conversation that is female friendly, what that is is completely up to you. Once the other females have put utmost attention into you the "Ex alpha female" will see this form of preselection and will want to invest in a conversation with you. + PS + >SP)

Go in For The Kill
Ofcourse, this is where you let her invest in the conversation.. the other steps are merely bait for her to take. Find a reason to isolate with her and then (C-R)+Q+SE = A. Make the conversation as comfortable yet flirtatious as possible. Qualify her as a suitable partner, sexually escalate through kino exercises then K-close with whatever routine you want.

As I said, this is just a metagame, what goes beyond the lines, the rest is up to you.

Advice and constructive criticisms are really appreciated,

(C-R) + Q + SE = A - all credit for this method goes to AFCAdam. The group sarging is my idea taken from this exact structure.

AFCCoffee :twisted: [/b]

Author:  MickCoffee [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:19 am ]
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Look guys, I spent an hour on this method. I want to know what yous think, if the majority of you are IT nerds (which apparently I got told) then you'd be used to looking at long posts. Please take thy finger our thy arse and respond! :x

AFCCoffee :twisted:

Author:  Dr. Beat [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:28 pm ]
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I will respond to this later, I'm going to tag it for now so I remember. I have 9 hours of class to think about now, but this is interesting to me as I'd much prefer to do this than to keep using the MM for groups.

Author:  MickCoffee [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:13 pm ]
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Kool dude, anyone else feel free :D

AFCCoffee :twisted:

Author:  DaBizNOS [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:53 pm ]
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I like it in theory, and im fairly new to this game.... im going out tonight and will try this technique... question tho: this method seems to be purely for sets of girls, any changes if the set has alpha male instead of female?.... wouldnt want to be spinning him around lol just normal AMOGing?

Author:  Dr. Beat [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:32 pm ]
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So this seems like a great concept to me, but it doesn't leave a lot of room for fail-safes the first couple times around. I'm a little hesitant to try it, but as the week winds down I'll head out and give it a shot. I'll post my results.

Thanks for throwing this together! It's a very interesting concept.

Author:  kowalski [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:53 pm ]
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This is contrived i.e. not natural.


Peace,

kowalski

Author:  MickCoffee [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:15 pm ]
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Quote:
This is contrived i.e. not natural.


Peace,

kowalski
It's my metagame, it's the way I naturally behave when sarging therefore it's natural to me.

Peace,

AFCCoffee :twisted:

Author:  MickCoffee [ Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:11 am ]
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Quote:
So this seems like a great concept to me, but it doesn't leave a lot of room for fail-safes the first couple times around. I'm a little hesitant to try it, but as the week winds down I'll head out and give it a shot. I'll post my results.

Thanks for throwing this together! It's a very interesting concept.
No problem man, I love putting stuff back into the community. Tell me how things go though it works wonders for me.

AFCCoffee :twisted:

Author:  MickCoffee [ Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:20 am ]
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Quote:
I like it in theory, and im fairly new to this game.... im going out tonight and will try this technique... question tho: this method seems to be purely for sets of girls, any changes if the set has alpha male instead of female?.... wouldnt want to be spinning him around lol just normal AMOGing?
Good point, though it would be funny if he was actually up for a spin. I don't normally sarge a set with a guy in it. By sarging a set with all females in it the bigger chance I have of either:
1 - K-closing or #-closing
2 - Becoming friends.
Both which I wouldn't mind, the more K-closes and female friends I have the more females I have to take out on a different night. The preselection value is then already built for your next target, by walking into a venue with 5 hot girls mostly everyone will start to wonder "wow, why is he with all of those girls? He must be interesting."

Eventually, you won't need to worry about other AMOG's, did they come into the club with 5 females? No.. he'll see you as the AMOC (Alpha Male of the Club). See what I mean? :)

AFCCoffee :twisted:

Author:  Coldman [ Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:45 pm ]
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mmmhh..... this is basically the mystery method, where you have replaced the word "target" with "alpha female of the group".

Open group and basically ignoring the target, negging her if need to, then let her invest and isolate her....

I'm sure you worked hard on this stuff, but it just seems like more rehashed theory.

Author:  TheTruthPUA [ Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:31 pm ]
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To be honest, this all seems like old stuff just a cominbation of different people method or just renaming a person method...

Author:  MickCoffee [ Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:16 pm ]
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Well I guess you guys are correct, I took some ideas from MM and then tried to rearrange them in a way that works for me whilst I'm sarging. The only difference between this and MM is that MM actually gives you lines that work best in the field only to make you a social robot with a set of responses in the end.

My method isn't like the MM I'm not giving you a set of lines to use in a certain situation I'm just presenting a different structure that you guys can use at your own free will. Thus you will not turn out to be a mere social robot you can actually relax and have a genuine conversation rather than canned conversations in your head.

This method works for me, hence why I am sharing it with you guys. Please, make a meta analysis and report back to me :)

AFCCoffee :twisted:

Author:  kowalski [ Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:45 pm ]
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This is what the meta-game of a natural looks like ...
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If you are consciously employing a structured approach, how is that natural just because the things you say are not scripted?

Not knocking your algorithm, I'm sure it works if you say it does and power to you, I just don't see that using this level of structure is natural behaviour, it is clearly structured, and, therefore contrived or affected behaviour.


Peace,

kowalski

Author:  MickCoffee [ Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:27 pm ]
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It's a natural structure because it is what I done before I actually sat down and tried to write my approaches into words. When approaching I noticed I approach unconsciously with the same pattern so I tried to put it into words - the stuff written here. You cannot say that because I unconsciously approached with a pattern that it isn't natural. It is subjectively natural to myself because it's just the unconscious pattern that I happen to do whilst sarging. It wouldn't be natural for other PUAs to use it because they are basically stealing my structure. See what I mean?

Anyways, I didn't want to create a debate whether this is natural or not I wanted to post this for people to try out and give results.

AFCCoffee :twisted:

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