PUA Forum :: Extroverted Alpha vs. Introverted Alpha

I believe this is the right place to put this:

I've been thinking lately about what we are normally taught in the community about what PU and what kind of state/personality you should have. And it's no doubt that the extroverted-alpha is that state.

But it seems like there is also a introverted-alpha out there too that can get just as much ass, if not more. Not all good pick-up artists (trained or natural) are the high-energy, talk to everybody type of guy.

There's an opposing type of guy, the more silent/strong/mysterious type who just eschews status, value and confidence, who doesn't care to talk to everybody, wrong or right, but mainly because he actually doesn't care about your opinion (at least not more than his own)...Don Draper comes to mind here.

What are the other traits of this type of guy? How does he get his girls if he actually doesn't really care about opening up random people?

This is much more "me" naturally, but I feel like there's a small piece missing to put it all together.

I think this all made sense...let me know your thoughts.

-WorkEthic

I know what you mean, however, I feel like you have a skewed idea of what this "introverted" alpha male really is.

You ask how might this introverted alpha male still attract people to himself without actually caring to talk to anybody or listening to what they have to say. There are many answers to this question. For example, if he actually doesn't care enough to meet anybody or talk to anybody but still somehow manages to interest all these beautiful women, then there must be something else. This something else is probably very good looks, great body structure (wide shoulders, something like Don Draper which you have mentioned which makes him look naturally alpha male) , and another thing is the fact that he has a passion in life. He might be too busy to go out and meet people, he might be way into his line of work to actually listen to what others have to say.

If you're trying to achieve this "introverted" alpha male status. You'll have to at at least pretend to care what people have to say. I also hate the whole high energy alpha male..to me it sounds stupid, because if you get laid a lot , you'll be the kind of guy that cares less and less about what girls have to say and you will ultimately pay attention less and less because you just aren't trying too hard to get them unlike these "high energy" alpha males. Girls will pick up on the fact that you honestly dont care too much whether she sticks around and talks to you or not because you have other girls in your phone book.

Anyway, I just rambled for a while now, but I hope you kind of understand what I mean.

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I got you dude.

I fit that "looks, build, stature, ambitious" mode...it's why the high-energy guy always felt incongruent with me. I'm sorry, but I actually don't care if someone I've never met believes in spells or not, LOL.

I feel like the intro-alpha goes up to any girl, isn't ever intimidated by her "shit-test" looks, has great body language/powerful, calculated movements, smiles, but doesn't "laugh", will tease her mercilessly, but treat her like a human and have real convo. with her too.

He wouldn't go to a bar or club with a friend of his and approach everyone in the place. He'd chill with his bud, be much more into his conversation than anything else that's going on around him and maybe say some C/F stuff to girls near him, who'd be intrigued to keep talking and it'd go from there..

He then wouldn't really give a shit whether he closed or not...his own projects/ambitions are probably more important anyways.

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You have described exactly what I meant. I hope you follow that path.

In a nutshell, the Intro-Alpha is like the HB10..

I fit that "looks, build, stature, ambitious" mode...it's why the high-energy guy always felt incongruent with me. I'm sorry, but I actually don't care if someone I've never met believes in spells or not, LOL.

I feel like the intro-alpha goes up to any girl, isn't ever intimidated by her "shit-test" looks, has great body language/powerful, calculated movements, smiles, but doesn't "laugh", will tease her mercilessly, but treat her like a human and have real convo. with her too.

He wouldn't go to a bar or club with a friend of his and approach everyone in the place. He'd chill with his bud, be much more into his conversation than anything else that's going on around him and maybe say some C/F stuff to girls near him, who'd be intrigued to keep talking and it'd go from there..

He then wouldn't really give a shit whether he closed or not...his own projects/ambitions are probably more important anyways.

Author:	WorkEthic [ Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:14 pm ]
Post subject:	Extroverted Alpha vs. Introverted Alpha
I believe this is the right place to put this: I've been thinking lately about what we are normally taught in the community about what PU and what kind of state/personality you should have. And it's no doubt that the extroverted-alpha is that state. But it seems like there is also a introverted-alpha out there too that can get just as much ass, if not more. Not all good pick-up artists (trained or natural) are the high-energy, talk to everybody type of guy. There's an opposing type of guy, the more silent/strong/mysterious type who just eschews status, value and confidence, who doesn't care to talk to everybody, wrong or right, but mainly because he actually doesn't care about your opinion (at least not more than his own)...Don Draper comes to mind here. What are the other traits of this type of guy? How does he get his girls if he actually doesn't really care about opening up random people? This is much more "me" naturally, but I feel like there's a small piece missing to put it all together. I think this all made sense...let me know your thoughts. -WorkEthic

Author:	ShadowSketched [ Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:53 pm ]
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Yes, the so-called strong silent type. I'd say he doesn't go out and try to get women. The women actually try to go out and get him. All he really does to open is look at women and make love to her through his eyes (best way I can describe it). Inside he believes that woman are special (think Zan Perrion) and rather than interrupt their actions, he enjoys observing women in their natural habitat. Doesn't mean he'll let the girl do the approach though. That's my personal experience with it.

Author:	Lorenzo321 [ Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:02 pm ]
Post subject:	Introverted Issue
Well, my good friend, I am an introvert. I am trying to say something some important comments about being in- /ex- troverted Unfortunately, I have found that if you are too introverted, it is very difficult to get what may interest you. You may need to have the courage to approach what you want because HB9/10 will probably not come to you, no matter the mystery. But I find there is a corrolation when it comes to good looks and how introverted you can be. If you are an exceptionally attractive guy, then you will be allowed that kind of behavior because for small things that you do, girls will come up to talk with you. There is also a corrolation between how attractive the girls that would approach you. For example, if you are a hot guy 10, then you will have girls come up to you for whatever reason when you do the smallest things, but those girls will probably not be HB10s unless you are some kind of rockstar. To me, that is not game, that is reacting. What you do after could be considered game. But hey as long as you get what you want, do as you wish. For example, my little brother is very attractive. He has game because he knows how to dance very well. So when he dances, girls all over go crazy for him. He is a shy guy but when he wants a girl, he is not too introverted to the point that he misses the opportunity. He goes up to them and chit-chats at least. And he still gets girls to come up to him asking him for his phone number after the party. On the other hand, I have to show the TGT my personality and my fiercelessness because my looks are not on the exceptional scale, while I am not an ugly guy either. I have to give the women an experience to remember me by so that I can get them to see me again. One thing that I have noticed to be very successful with shy guys is when they deal with one sets. I have come up to a girl and said that I have never done this and for some reason I had to do it. As long as you are fun about it and have a strong frame, you can do damage.... Hope this helps...

Author:	Patrick_Bateman [ Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:09 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Extroverted Alpha vs. Introverted Alpha
Quote: I believe this is the right place to put this: I've been thinking lately about what we are normally taught in the community about what PU and what kind of state/personality you should have. And it's no doubt that the extroverted-alpha is that state. But it seems like there is also a introverted-alpha out there too that can get just as much ass, if not more. Not all good pick-up artists (trained or natural) are the high-energy, talk to everybody type of guy. There's an opposing type of guy, the more silent/strong/mysterious type who just eschews status, value and confidence, who doesn't care to talk to everybody, wrong or right, but mainly because he actually doesn't care about your opinion (at least not more than his own)...Don Draper comes to mind here. What are the other traits of this type of guy? How does he get his girls if he actually doesn't really care about opening up random people? This is much more "me" naturally, but I feel like there's a small piece missing to put it all together. I think this all made sense...let me know your thoughts. -WorkEthic I know what you mean, however, I feel like you have a skewed idea of what this "introverted" alpha male really is. You ask how might this introverted alpha male still attract people to himself without actually caring to talk to anybody or listening to what they have to say. There are many answers to this question. For example, if he actually doesn't care enough to meet anybody or talk to anybody but still somehow manages to interest all these beautiful women, then there must be something else. This something else is probably very good looks, great body structure (wide shoulders, something like Don Draper which you have mentioned which makes him look naturally alpha male) , and another thing is the fact that he has a passion in life. He might be too busy to go out and meet people, he might be way into his line of work to actually listen to what others have to say. If you're trying to achieve this "introverted" alpha male status. You'll have to at at least pretend to care what people have to say. I also hate the whole high energy alpha male..to me it sounds stupid, because if you get laid a lot , you'll be the kind of guy that cares less and less about what girls have to say and you will ultimately pay attention less and less because you just aren't trying too hard to get them unlike these "high energy" alpha males. Girls will pick up on the fact that you honestly dont care too much whether she sticks around and talks to you or not because you have other girls in your phone book. Anyway, I just rambled for a while now, but I hope you kind of understand what I mean.

Author:	Molson [ Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:50 pm ]
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I don't think it's very wise to "start" as an introverted alpha. I believe this is simply a status you may grow into much further down in your path; when you have lots of women friends going out with you constantly, you really don't need to do much. You can be of much lower energy here. But if you're just with your boys all the time, or by yourself and have no reason to have a high value without conveying it directly, then being introverted might not work for you.

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Author:	WorkEthic [ Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Extroverted Alpha vs. Introverted Alpha
Quote: I know what you mean, however, I feel like you have a skewed idea of what this "introverted" alpha male really is. You ask how might this introverted alpha male still attract people to himself without actually caring to talk to anybody or listening to what they have to say. There are many answers to this question. For example, if he actually doesn't care enough to meet anybody or talk to anybody but still somehow manages to interest all these beautiful women, then there must be something else. This something else is probably very good looks, great body structure (wide shoulders, something like Don Draper which you have mentioned which makes him look naturally alpha male) , and another thing is the fact that he has a passion in life. He might be too busy to go out and meet people, he might be way into his line of work to actually listen to what others have to say. If you're trying to achieve this "introverted" alpha male status. You'll have to at at least pretend to care what people have to say. I also hate the whole high energy alpha male..to me it sounds stupid, because if you get laid a lot , you'll be the kind of guy that cares less and less about what girls have to say and you will ultimately pay attention less and less because you just aren't trying too hard to get them unlike these "high energy" alpha males. Girls will pick up on the fact that you honestly dont care too much whether she sticks around and talks to you or not because you have other girls in your phone book. Anyway, I just rambled for a while now, but I hope you kind of understand what I mean. I got you dude. I fit that "looks, build, stature, ambitious" mode...it's why the high-energy guy always felt incongruent with me. I'm sorry, but I actually don't care if someone I've never met believes in spells or not, LOL. I feel like the intro-alpha goes up to any girl, isn't ever intimidated by her "shit-test" looks, has great body language/powerful, calculated movements, smiles, but doesn't "laugh", will tease her mercilessly, but treat her like a human and have real convo. with her too. He wouldn't go to a bar or club with a friend of his and approach everyone in the place. He'd chill with his bud, be much more into his conversation than anything else that's going on around him and maybe say some C/F stuff to girls near him, who'd be intrigued to keep talking and it'd go from there.. He then wouldn't really give a shit whether he closed or not...his own projects/ambitions are probably more important anyways.

Author:	Patrick_Bateman [ Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:30 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Extroverted Alpha vs. Introverted Alpha
Quote: Quote: I know what you mean, however, I feel like you have a skewed idea of what this "introverted" alpha male really is. You ask how might this introverted alpha male still attract people to himself without actually caring to talk to anybody or listening to what they have to say. There are many answers to this question. For example, if he actually doesn't care enough to meet anybody or talk to anybody but still somehow manages to interest all these beautiful women, then there must be something else. This something else is probably very good looks, great body structure (wide shoulders, something like Don Draper which you have mentioned which makes him look naturally alpha male) , and another thing is the fact that he has a passion in life. He might be too busy to go out and meet people, he might be way into his line of work to actually listen to what others have to say. If you're trying to achieve this "introverted" alpha male status. You'll have to at at least pretend to care what people have to say. I also hate the whole high energy alpha male..to me it sounds stupid, because if you get laid a lot , you'll be the kind of guy that cares less and less about what girls have to say and you will ultimately pay attention less and less because you just aren't trying too hard to get them unlike these "high energy" alpha males. Girls will pick up on the fact that you honestly dont care too much whether she sticks around and talks to you or not because you have other girls in your phone book. Anyway, I just rambled for a while now, but I hope you kind of understand what I mean. I got you dude. I fit that "looks, build, stature, ambitious" mode...it's why the high-energy guy always felt incongruent with me. I'm sorry, but I actually don't care if someone I've never met believes in spells or not, LOL. I feel like the intro-alpha goes up to any girl, isn't ever intimidated by her "shit-test" looks, has great body language/powerful, calculated movements, smiles, but doesn't "laugh", will tease her mercilessly, but treat her like a human and have real convo. with her too. He wouldn't go to a bar or club with a friend of his and approach everyone in the place. He'd chill with his bud, be much more into his conversation than anything else that's going on around him and maybe say some C/F stuff to girls near him, who'd be intrigued to keep talking and it'd go from there.. He then wouldn't really give a shit whether he closed or not...his own projects/ambitions are probably more important anyways. You have described exactly what I meant. I hope you follow that path.

Author:	Gewoonissos [ Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:33 pm ]
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I recognize myself in your description..

Author:	WorkEthic [ Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Extroverted Alpha vs. Introverted Alpha
Quote: Quote: Quote: I know what you mean, however, I feel like you have a skewed idea of what this "introverted" alpha male really is. You ask how might this introverted alpha male still attract people to himself without actually caring to talk to anybody or listening to what they have to say. There are many answers to this question. For example, if he actually doesn't care enough to meet anybody or talk to anybody but still somehow manages to interest all these beautiful women, then there must be something else. This something else is probably very good looks, great body structure (wide shoulders, something like Don Draper which you have mentioned which makes him look naturally alpha male) , and another thing is the fact that he has a passion in life. He might be too busy to go out and meet people, he might be way into his line of work to actually listen to what others have to say. If you're trying to achieve this "introverted" alpha male status. You'll have to at at least pretend to care what people have to say. I also hate the whole high energy alpha male..to me it sounds stupid, because if you get laid a lot , you'll be the kind of guy that cares less and less about what girls have to say and you will ultimately pay attention less and less because you just aren't trying too hard to get them unlike these "high energy" alpha males. Girls will pick up on the fact that you honestly dont care too much whether she sticks around and talks to you or not because you have other girls in your phone book. Anyway, I just rambled for a while now, but I hope you kind of understand what I mean. I got you dude. I fit that "looks, build, stature, ambitious" mode...it's why the high-energy guy always felt incongruent with me. I'm sorry, but I actually don't care if someone I've never met believes in spells or not, LOL. I feel like the intro-alpha goes up to any girl, isn't ever intimidated by her "shit-test" looks, has great body language/powerful, calculated movements, smiles, but doesn't "laugh", will tease her mercilessly, but treat her like a human and have real convo. with her too. He wouldn't go to a bar or club with a friend of his and approach everyone in the place. He'd chill with his bud, be much more into his conversation than anything else that's going on around him and maybe say some C/F stuff to girls near him, who'd be intrigued to keep talking and it'd go from there.. He then wouldn't really give a shit whether he closed or not...his own projects/ambitions are probably more important anyways. You have described exactly what I meant. I hope you follow that path. It's what I'm working towards right now. Where would you say you're at right now? As an aside, I've been sick the last couple days and have watched episode after episode of Mad Men and Californication and also finally watched Roger Dodger. You know what the funniest thing I noticed was? All 3 guys (Draper, Hank and Roger) in their seduction do massive cold-reads on the girls they talk to. They ALL go, "Let me guess, you're from XX, you came here for YY, you're suprised that ZZ etc." They all also focus on only talking about the relationships between men and women (and will throw in sex joke after sex joke when applicable). Some good stuff to take from all 3 of these guys, especially since they're all more of the intro-aplha type.

Author:	Hybrid13 [ Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:04 pm ]
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I hafta kinda disagree here, I am a true natural, and It started as Introverted alpha and evolved to extroverted, you know why? because more times than not, if you become alpha, you become extroverted, its not so much as a technique like you guys make it sound like, its just as you get more alpha you are more confident and energetic To pull off Introverted alpha you gotta have some killer looks, and major social proof or NO HB9/10 is gonna approach you, and if you are that good looking and have that much social proof, they will be intimidated by you, which can work if YOU open. The reason Extroverted Alpha is the best way to go are as follows: 1.) Those are the people that other people like, and most people prefer to introverted 2.) NEVER fake Extroverted Alpha... BE Extroverted Alpha The reason the routine doesn't seem congruent with you guys is because it is not, You are introverted, so faking extroverted is just that, faking....Don't emulate what girls desire, BE what girls desire. (A lot of you are much closer than you think)

Author:	FrequentFlyerCA [ Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:07 am ]
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I've modled my game this way and I like to think I'm that type of guy (always working towards that at least). Good post. People need to know that 'Alpha' doesnt always mean you have to be the stereotypical outgoing frat-guy.

Author:	WorkEthic [ Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:13 pm ]
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I disagree dude. From what I can tell, an "omega" is like the opposite of the alpha, with the beta somewhere in the middle. The person we're describing displays all alpha characteristics, except that he holds himself with such high regard, value and status, that he doesn't give a fck about anyone else besides himself, unless they prove themselves worthy. THAT'S why he doesn't care to waste his time in a bar or club talking to a bunch of random strangers. He's got a million and one other better things to do with his time. I think this is the end-goal for most aspiring PUA's. You start off as the high-energy guy, opening as many sets as possible and working on yourself. But as you become more proficient, you start to not care about talking to everybody and displaying value, etc., because you already know your sht is where it's at. You start to qualify everyone else and you're only gonna let in the people who prove themselves worthy. In a nutshell, the Intro-Alpha is like the HB10..

Author:	Blue Dre [ Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:43 pm ]
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You know a long time ago I was wondering about these two different types of alphas. I felt like I was getting opposing advice from the community. There was: A) The cocky-FUNNY, outgoing guy who's really nice and everyone loves. He doesn't necessarily think highly of himself but that's only because the thought doesn't even occur to him. He's just awesome. B) The COCKY-funny, mysterious, "I don't give a shit" guy who's got the alpha frame and knows it. The guy every man wants to be when they think of a player. Personally I find myself being more of the type A i've mentioned there, except i'm not very outgoing (i suffer a bit from social anxiety outside of school although inside of school i make everyone pee their pants).

Author:	flarm [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:18 am ]
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Quote: In a nutshell, the Intro-Alpha is like the HB10.. oh yea? in who's nutshell? My nutshell? Do you even know what goes on in my nutshell? Cuz I don't...am i interested to find out, do i really wanna know what goes on down there? yes of course. Am I ever gonna go in and see? no... My point is that who the f*k are you to tell me about my own nuts? That's what pediatricians are for, that's what HB8's and up are for...(unnecessary flames removed by moderator) they dig you dude...it's not a bad thing. it's good practice if anything.

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Author:	Anytime [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:03 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Extroverted Alpha vs. Introverted Alpha
Quote: I fit that "looks, build, stature, ambitious" mode...it's why the high-energy guy always felt incongruent with me. I'm sorry, but I actually don't care if someone I've never met believes in spells or not, LOL. I feel like the intro-alpha goes up to any girl, isn't ever intimidated by her "shit-test" looks, has great body language/powerful, calculated movements, smiles, but doesn't "laugh", will tease her mercilessly, but treat her like a human and have real convo. with her too. He wouldn't go to a bar or club with a friend of his and approach everyone in the place. He'd chill with his bud, be much more into his conversation than anything else that's going on around him and maybe say some C/F stuff to girls near him, who'd be intrigued to keep talking and it'd go from there.. He then wouldn't really give a shit whether he closed or not...his own projects/ambitions are probably more important anyways. This. Is. Gold. I too never quite felt congruent with the high-energy alpha male, despite having what I would call a stronger physique compared most other guys. That said, what you have just described has been very well received by me. Thank's for such a great explanation!