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Author:  Grape [ Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:25 pm ]
Post subject:  PUA Gurus' "Bullshit" Escalation
As I've been looking more and more into as to how exactly the stuff Mystery teaches, David D teaches, and Swinggcat teaches works, I've came to a conclusion.

Bullshit Escalation.
Let me show ya what I'm getting at dawg.
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Mystery says, "If a girl gives you 3 IOIs, you can officially kiss her."

Swinggcat says the key is to framing that you are the prize, when all in all you both know it's just kidding around and such.

David D is all about C&F and personality right? Well it's being FUNNY by being cocky, just like Swinggcat's Prizability.

And then after trying out these methods as an rAFC, one realizes "Hmm... what Swinggcat said isn't necessarily true. I can get women without being 'prizable' so much."

And then comes the state of confusion. They think to themselves a whole lot and are going through a whole lot of emotions and moods because their minds are really really confused.

So... then they get into natural game.

And then in natural game, they start finding out a whole lot of stuff and realize that a lot of stuff Mystery and Swinggcat back up their methods with are actually bullshit.

But you gotta realize, THE METHODS WORKED.

It wasn't because you were framing yourself as the prize, it wasn't because you negged the target and then ran an ESP routine, etc.

It was simply because the rationalizations gave you confidence that the methods are fool-proof.

It gave you the boost you needed to make that extra step into escalating the relationship.

The material and routines? Merely 'fluff-talk' stuff to keep the convo going between you and your target.

The prizability? Merely a tool to help you SHOW OFF THE RIGHT personality.

It's really funny too. because once we realize how some rationalizations were crap, we start shunning away the method and our minds just oppose it.

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So quoted for truth by some PUA teacher person:
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Escalation IS the game.
As long the facts are: You are talking to a girl. You are getting her attracted to you. You are touching her. You are making all the right moves.

It won't matter what you back it up with.
As long as you're out there and interacting, THAT's how you'll get results.

It doesn't matter if you know a shitload about PUA, if you memorized over 500 openers, if you read 50 books on seduction.

You've GOT to start applying this stuff and simply going out there interacting with chicks.

Don't look at how much you know, look at how much you've accomplished.

THAT is the key to success.

Hope you enjoyed it.
<33 Grape

P.S. I think this post goes best with natural game best out of all the boards in this forum.... Ya know, self-motivation, confidence, etc.
Author:  JSmooth [ Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:48 pm ]
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Very well said Grape. Very well said indeed. :wink:
Author:  The Fresh Prince [ Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:51 am ]
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I want to high5 u grape
Author:  zhukaching [ Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:50 am ]
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omg you hit the point!
Author:  Grape [ Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:30 pm ]
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Haha thanks guys =]
Author:  JSmooth [ Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:03 pm ]
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Haha thanks guys =]

WOW 400 POSTS! Seems like only yesterday...I hit my 400th and though dang. :wink:
Author:  Kandid [ Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:07 pm ]
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Hi,

I totally agree with you.

I believe that routines are crutches. They make men confident.
Eventually they have something to say and they believe that the
routine has the power to make the girl fall for them. It's not the
routines themselves that help but the fact that they change the
behavior and attitudes. They are called outer game but actually they
are inner game too.
To be successful as a natural requires confidence and coolness. Those
men who don't have that yet seem to need routines. I think, the more
advanced a PUA becomes the less he cares for routines. With experience
they can go further and further without routines.

Kandid
Author:  soup [ Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:36 pm ]
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I want to know does anyone feel that they wouldnt have progressed as far as they have if they hadn't at first used routines.
Or do they believe they would of reached this point quicker if they had started off with natural game.
Author:  sorin93 [ Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:11 am ]
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I want to know does anyone feel that they wouldnt have progressed as far as they have if they hadn't at first used routines.
Or do they believe they would of reached this point quicker if they had started off with natural game.
DEFINITELY would have reached this point quicker without routines, straight natural. routines and mystery method actually set me back. i wasnt congruent with it, i felt fake. when i dropped routines and went natural with 100% confidence is when i got results. routines helped me 0%. but i'm glad i tried mystery method because now i know what does not work for me.
Author:  Jprime [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:01 am ]
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For me anyways the routines helped me get my foot in the door, then when i just started going natural i had a sense of what i needed to do and i was given the confidence to do so because of the routines. So the naturalness i owe to routines as they were the stepping stone to giving an understanding of how things should work, they built the initial confidence needed
Author:  roady [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:21 pm ]
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brilliant.
Author:  Grape [ Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:34 pm ]
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Hey thanks a ton for the replies guys.
Author:  Chess [ Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:35 am ]
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Yea your right. FUCK routines that can just make you confused as fuck, but the social dynamics that mystery teaches will help you a lot like how to carry yourself ect ect. Also knowing what steps attraction works in and knowing what step you are in is good.
Author:  Drakelet [ Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:35 pm ]
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I was thinking about this the other day actually. The most important aspect to game, it seems, is confidence and positivity.
Author:  Grape [ Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:33 am ]
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=]] There's now a full definition of Bullshit Escalation on http://www.pualingo.com/pua-definitions ... scalation/
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