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Author:  Blacksheep [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:13 am ]
Post subject:  Naturals before the community warning
I know there are a certain amount of people on here who were naturals before they discovered the PUA community. Has anyone noticed that after immiediatly discovering the community that some of this stuff just threw you off. For example I found that the use of line/routines was worse, it just didn't feel right. Why does this happen? I would contend that when you first enter the community you think that someone found a way to instantly drop a girls panties by dropping a few lines.

If your like me, girls weren't really necessarily a problem in your life. Throughout High School and 2 years of college before I stumbled upon this book called "the game" (you may have heard of it), girls talked to men and italked to them. I didn't share the same background as most of the MPUA's, I didn't play dungeons and dragons, or stayed in my house on weekends. In fact I was out partying with one of the sports teams i was on. Note: doesn't mean that i was better than any of those other guys, who obviously get way more pull then me. But it just puts you in a different position when you enter the community.

So when you come into the community realize this: there is no magical spell/line that makes anything easier. However, what the community can do is make you fine tune your game. You will become more conscious of what your doing and how girls are reacting to you.

I was just wondering if anyone started off the same way? Did the Game first throw you off at first? And how have you adapted the game into your already natural game? I think this will help explain some things from a first person account? I'm not really good at explaining things so someone that is better then me post it up!!
Author:  pillow_fight [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:36 am ]
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I read the game and mystery method and then came here.. I was pretty social before, but have a lot of geekiness in the past, then I became the funny, weird kind during high school. I found out about the community recently (first year of college). It's changed my natural game, I don't se lines or anything but not I integrate ideas and theories into my social toolbox like push pull, or group theory or DHV. Apart from that, I got a confidence boost and now I'm more touchy to chicks in general so that kino isn't weird later. That's how my natural games been affected really.
Author:  rand0m [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:53 pm ]
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Whenever I meet a very HB, I used to tell myself that I wasn't good enough for her and I forced LJBF attitude. When I look at it now I see that I've gain some pretty serious IOI's from that mindset I've used, however, I couldn't read them because I was just an AFC.

Now, I'm more confident because I know how the game works...
Author:  The Doctor [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:16 pm ]
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As one of those naturals... here is my take.

The community has helped me understand my fellow men more... to understand those who are not naturals... a PUA and a natural think of things in fundamentally different ways and I had no idea that guys thought this way before I found the community.

It has shown me many other ways of attracting women... after testing out most of the popular methods... I still like and find my natural way most efficient for me... probably simply due to congruency. However because of the community I am able to help people more then I would have without since I now know many more ways to skin a cat as it where.

I think naturals in the community get in trouble when they try to be like everyone else... If your a natural you do not think like a PUA... there are similiarities... but some fundamental differences also and therefore you should not be going about things the same way.

Overall if your a natural... you really dont need the community, but it can be nice to be around and it can be helpful to get differing perspectives from your ow n :)
Author:  Gander [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:10 pm ]
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I think naturals in the community get in trouble when they try to be like everyone else...
...but it can be nice to be around and it can be helpful to get differing perspectives from your own
This is where I struggled the most when getting into PU.. I did very well in high school with women and got into college and read The Game. I over analized stuff way too much and tried to change my style. Now I've just integrated PU techniques into my old style and increased it ten fold. Every PUA has their own style which works best for them. Natural is a style. If it's not broken don't fix it. Just polish it up.
Author:  Stormy [ Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:38 pm ]
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I started off as a semi-natural. I had twelve lays when I first found The Game.

Thing was, none of them were the result of "pickups." They were mostly social circle lays, the girl made the first move with most of them, and alcohol was involved in virtually all of them.

So I was getting a reasonable amount of booty, but it wasn't consistent and I had no control over it, as far as I could tell. I knew that there were plenty of girls that liked me but weren't telling me for some reason. And I had NO idea how to put the moves on the girls myself. Before I got into pickup, I was always waiting for girls to put moves on me.

I first started looking for pickup material when I got dumped by my Final Ex. I was in a pretty bad state and wanted some validation, like, BAD.

What I was looking for when I first got in was what I now know to be a list of IOIs. I took it for granted that a certain number of girls were attracted to me, and I had people telling me that girls were blatantly flirting with me on occasion while I was totally oblivious to it. I wasn't satisfied with that. I wanted to know when girls were interested in me without someone having to come out and tell me. I wanted to be able to do things on my own.

Well, I found the list of IOIs... and quickly realized that I would have to devote an inordinate amount of my attention to looking for them if wanted to go about things that way. But lo! There was also a list of tactics and routines that could help me present myself better, and therefore make me more attractive! Instead of passively scanning for IOIs from girls in my social circle, the paradigm shifted to "doing approaches."

And that's where everything went wrong.

I went full-bore Mystery Method. I read and absorbed at a ridiculous rate (I've always been pretty good at reading comprehension-related stuff... you have to be if you're in law school). I'd say that I had most of the fundamentals of Mystery Method internalized within a week.

But I still wasn't getting any.

Learning routine-based game, especially one as risk-averse and reactionary as Mystery Method, fucked me up. I became a social robot almost instantly.

Then I found natural game (RSD, to be precise), saw what I was doing wrong, and got to work fixing it. But really, all I ever needed to do was convince myself that approaching is okay, get my calibration in decent shape (I've done some stupid, STUPID shit while chatting up girls in bars before I got into pickup), and learn the ins and outs of escalation.

Really, though, it comes down to liking yourself. Which I didn't when I started pickup. And learning to see social interactions as a chess game definitely didn't help.
Author:  Blacksheep [ Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:20 pm ]
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Exactly! and right there is what i am talking about. I have seen it happen to a lot of people. You go into this mystery method thinking that its going to change your world, all you have to do is spit out an algorithim of lines which = getting some. WRONG. If your not programmed this way than don't try to do it this way. Great way of putting it Stormy!
Author:  Slywalker [ Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:00 am ]
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I totally agree with you Blacksheep, I was doing well with girls, mostly because I'm a nice guy, I'm not shy and I was lucky enough to be born with good looks.
However, when I discovered the game, it took me only a week to get laid by using lines from the book, clearly I was amazed. Now I have realized that there is so much more to pick up. How much more fun and exhiting it can be if you do it with style and grace.
Now I'm picking up women everywhere, not just clubs and bars, I'm not afraid of approaching, I learned NLP, I dress with more imagination (peacocking) etc...

The important thing is to not take it too seriously, I know Neil Strauss talks about this in one of his books, about guys who can't think beyond the routines someone else taught them. This is wrong, you have to be experimental with it, take chances, explore new routines etc.

I love the game, being a PUA is a great life style!!!
Author:  madals [ Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:18 pm ]
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I think of it as taking something I was talented at and getting to understand.
I wont use being natural as an example but rather something else i was good at, basketball. I will narrow it down to shooting, before any coaching, before understanding techniques i could shoot and score quite well. However, when i started to read/practice/get coached I began to understand WHY a certain type of shot worked better or why doing something at a certain time works.
It makes it so that rather than you just do it, you can understand why you do it and how it works and then refine it.
Author:  Das Wunder [ Sun Mar 01, 2009 3:12 am ]
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Heh. The only way the game 'threw me off' is that I was in full acceptance mode of my situation. I wasn't getting girls. But I completely stopped caring as I felt I didn't have a choice. So when I stumbled across PUA stuff, I was thrown off in the sense that I realised all the work I put into NOT caring was for no reason. Now I'm getting used to the idea that potential was always there, and I have to re-motivate myself...
Author:  TheDoc [ Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:39 am ]
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You have to take this PUA stuff for what it's worth. Obviously "if it aint broke, don't fix it"

A natural rapport with the ladies is a great asset. The things to take and add to your game is knowledge about why women become attracted.

Use this new found knowledge to enhance your game. Definitely don't change it.
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