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| Author: | The_Edge_Michael [ Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Natural Game FULLY EXPLAINED |
Natural Game FULLY EXPLAINED. Natural Game is the highest form of individual expression. Interacting with random strangers is our only chance to get real world, unadulterated feedback on who we REALLY are! Natural Game with structure is NOT natural game. The moment anyone starts putting a structure around it makes it lost because there is no set way to take a man from A-Z in pick-up. Every guy in the seduction community can't be tarred with the same brush. No.1 rule: No structure + No agenda Remember if all male/female interactions emanate from this perspective, you can instantly disarm even the most intimidating beautiful woman. Natural Game is the reality behind the appearance. It is about establishing an unspoken connection with her. A man to woman bond. heart to heart and beyond words is essential. You cannot do this with routines. Know that what exists within you is boundary less. It is being both in the moment, and on your path, willing to let her come with you along the way. Becoming a Natural means we can say: 1. I follow my natural instinctual urges. 2. I have locked all underlying natural insinuations through firsthand experience. 3. I have supplanted deep inner natural presuppositions and behaviour. 4. I have a naturally flirtatious personality. How is this done? 1. Understanding that the words and frame are massively less important than the sub communications you project. 2. Through ensuring that there is no difference between your ‘core’ persona and your ‘pickup’ persona. 3. By putting your real personality on the line. The 3 LEVELS: On a narrow definition there are broadly 3 levels of game: (credit to Sebastian) Level 1: The ‘What do I say’ Level. People at this stage worry about the specifics of what they are actually saying and want to know how to ‘talk up’ their game using routines or crutches. What they don’t realise is that it doesn’t matter what you say, women only respond to how you make them FEEL. This is the absolute amateur level. Level 2: The Frame Level. What has changed is how you frame your interactions with women, you become aware that the frame you adopt can change the meaning of what you say and so going forward you try using some. Therefore less time is spent paying attention to your own words but rather the meaning behind them. Level 3: The Sub Communication Level. You realise that the words and the frame are much less important than your sub communications which are basically driven by the state which you experience and project. You become aware that women do not respond to what you say but how you make them FEEL. You start throwing away everything you know, just say 'Hello' and celebrate everything that excites you about them. It means a complete devotion to something that is infinitely larger than yourself or anything around you. When you are at level 3, set’s just smashed open; you will be able to spark interest from wherever you are by just turning up to places, and all the other guys around you are scratching their heads wondering how the hell you’re doing it without any obvious strategy. They will then go to the forums and post about you that they are getting crap advice to just go ahead and say 'hello, my name is X' because they don't understand it yet. Core Persona vs. Pick up Persona If you’re running out of things to say, it is because you are trying to sub-consciously match up to some girl ‘you’ve just met 5 minutes ago’ standards, rather than impose your own. This is the basic problem of relying on routines to a girl, because she can tell on some level you feel the need to impress her. The when you run out of ‘material’, after a few minutes, the gap will be felt between your CORE persona and your PICK UP persona, and this isn’t attractive. Hint: There is no difference between gaming and not gaming - sarging and not sarging. This is True Natural Game. Despite PUA perception, women can never truly be fooled. They have something that men don't and never will -- a strong sense of intuition. The minute you disrespect that about a woman, you're finished. Put your Real Personality on the line. Natural Game can be developed by putting your real personality on the Line. This fortitude is something you build through exposing your real personality and allowing your real personality to be rejected, constantly - until you reach the "Indifference Threshold”. I advised back in the day to escalate as much as was necessary until all fear and shame was destroyed. Once you reach that indifference threshold, your sub communication will take care of everything. There is a train of thought which goes like this: Community Guy 1 This guy is the sort of guy who goes up to a female assistant in a clothes shop and says "I'm looking for a jacket” and she looks at him like he is a freak but she is polite anyway, but she talks to him in a way that makes him want to leave the shop. There are certainly plenty guys in the community who are at this stage. Going up to some girl and saying "Hi, I'm X, how are you doing?" in a nervous and expecting a negative response way is not going to do anything other than reinforce the previous poor experiences. They need to get used to getting a *positive* reaction from girls, to develop core confidence. However, by putting the real personality on the line, over time, they can get used to getting positive experiences and build their subcommunications up to a point where they become: Community Guy 2 You've been in the community for a while and are well calibrated and socially savvy. You have very few limiting beliefs and are generally walking through the world with ease. You are used to getting good reactions and sparking interest in any social situation. You go into a clothes shop and say "I'm looking for a jacket" and the shop assistant's reaction towards you is very friendly (because of your great calibration, vibe and energy) and she is glad you walked through that door and into her life. The Routine versus Natural Game Debate: In my best assessment, people who believe they fundamentally lack something and need to compensate with 'material' or ‘lines’ will not find understanding natural game easy at all. This is a skill set that requires a lot of pain and effort to learn. If you won’t go through the pain in the first place you will get nowhere. Routines/Canned game generally operate under the presupposition that the girl has higher value than you, so you need to raise your value and lower hers in order to get the girl. Girls detect these pre-meditated approaches a mile away. Natural Game presupposes you have the higher value so trying to alter the value dynamic isn't really relevant. The head shouldn’t be full of 'what technique shall I roll out next' rather than full of the experience of the current moment. In other words, there should be no calculation, no strategising, and no expression of something that has been pre-rehearsed. Being present and in the moment is key. Do it. No personality shells. No situational based confidence. No crutches. It's also the mindset... ‘So they talk to me, I have to body rock so I don't look too interested’ ‘So she feels like she knows me for longer, I should do some future projections’ ‘I hear that girls like to talk about this topic, so that's what I'm going to do, even though I find it boring’ ‘I have to disqualify myself and make her qualify herself to me’ Fuck all of this. This is not natural game. Don’t waste any time to destroy any naturally flirtatious personality you may have in order to make superficial friendships with people doing the above. Conclusion: When guys first get into pick-up (as a result of the hype, I'm sure) they expect mind blowing results immediately and consistently - and few of these experiences are forthcoming. If you are using canned material to fill a gap, ask yourself why you are not filling it with something that actually matters to you. What is it exactly that you are afraid of expressing? Why can you not put your real personality on the line? Students come into the game from months of internet-based study or practice only to find the routine models they have memorised are no match for the sheer diversity of situations arising in the real world. Their understanding of Game at this level shows a naive move with little foresight which doesn’t define longevity. Promises of the silver bullet, the pick-up artist who can get any girl remain elusively distant. Good news, if you are willing to take a hit in skill and change in mind set, change is possible and you will enjoy spontaneous, unscripted interactions. Through experience, observation, honesty, and insight, natural habits (both verbal and non-verbal) can be built gradually over time. You may run into brick wall after brick wall before getting any real results but anyone with courage, conviction and drive to succeed will do it in no time! I have shown you this is nice because you can just relax when you get girls without feeling you constantly have to 'perform'. Put the pick-up lines in a cage and don’t feed them. It is better to have natural game full of holes than not attempting any of this at all. Let the passion build naturally. DO NOT force it. Find your own rhythm. Create your own method and style based purely on in-field references. If you can so this you will be rockin’ the PU community next to none. The value you will start getting out of this way of life will be fucking quadrupling. Party times await. Never give up, never surrender. Nobody else will give you anything in this world. Don’t be a Seminar Junkie / Keyboard Jockey Michael THE EDGE NEW YORK CITY www.the-edge-michael.blogspot.com |
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| Author: | the_guru [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:41 pm ] |
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yet again, another top article! |
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| Author: | sorin93 [ Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:38 pm ] |
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i agree with this article 100% when i first got into the game i was trying to learn all the different methods, which just felt awkward and scripted. it was like trying to be something you're not. then i thought to myself, why would i uset hese dumb ass methods that only work in certain situations when i can just improve my inner game and pick up girls the way that i want to with no scripted routines. now i learned that it's all about having fun and enjoying yourself. as long as i'm having fun and enjoying it then nothing else matters and now i get results with a fraction of the effort put into learning routines because it's all about being relaxed and doing whatever you feel like doing. i recommend everyone to try natural game |
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| Author: | APfritzMCG [ Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:51 am ] |
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Quote: i agree with this article 100%
ditto
when i first got into the game i was trying to learn all the different methods, which just felt awkward and scripted. it was like trying to be something you're not. then i thought to myself, why would i uset hese dumb ass methods that only work in certain situations when i can just improve my inner game and pick up girls the way that i want to with no scripted routines. now i learned that it's all about having fun and enjoying yourself. as long as i'm having fun and enjoying it then nothing else matters and now i get results with a fraction of the effort put into learning routines because it's all about being relaxed and doing whatever you feel like doing. i recommend everyone to try natural game |
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| Author: | The Big Bad Wolf [ Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:43 pm ] |
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I love this stuff, dude. Top Marks Cheers. |
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| Author: | The_Edge_Michael [ Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:11 pm ] |
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Special thanks to everyone who commented!
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| Author: | Cassian [ Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:03 pm ] |
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*Bookmarks* Amazing post |
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| Author: | Molson [ Sun Feb 22, 2009 1:29 am ] |
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But the problem still remains for those who are nervous and uncomfortable (aka AFCs) in these situations. You can't just tell a jet fighter trainee to pretend he knows what he's doing and go on a bombing run. He'll fly the thing into the ground, just as an AFC will do with his interaction. I find the point of "canned lines" etc is to be able to cross that barrier of "I have no fucking idea what to do" and be a crutch that an AFC will find his way off after practice. |
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| Author: | Blacksheep [ Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:38 am ] |
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I think that natural game is kind of something you have before you even enter the community, it can be achieved through study but how many people will achieve this level is small because most believe that they have to change themselves to become a PUA. when i found this community I thought most of these things weren't necessarily ground breaking, but they definately helped keen in on skills. Thats my take at least, bottom line natural game is a state of mind! |
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| Author: | Sideler [ Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Intuition |
Great article and I agree about men and their lack of intuition. I happen to be one exception to the rule. Whether its with friends, situations, business, or women, I see stuff coming. My friends have accused me of being psychic. I believe we all have intuition, it's just that women are more in touch with it than men are. |
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| Author: | sananjana [ Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:28 pm ] |
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very nice article ok thanks |
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| Author: | Kandid [ Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:54 pm ] |
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Hi, I agree with you. However, it's the experience: Many men are just themselves and never get laid. They start to learn routines and do get laid. I believe that routines are crutches. They make men confident. Eventually they have something to say and they believe that the routine has the power to make the girl fall for them. It's not the routines themselves that help but the fact that they change the behavior and attitudes. They are called outer game but actually they are inner game too. To be successful as a natural requires confidence and coolness. Those men who don't have that yet seem to need routines. I think, the more advanced a PUA becomes the less he cares for routines. With experience they can go further and further without routines. I don't use actual routines but I am quite aware of the possible meaning my words and actions may have. I know that jokes that allude to sex are insinuations. I know that she gets into a favourable mood when I let her talk about her passions and desires. I know that she wants to spend time with me when I tell her my adventures in foreign countries. I know that touching her prepares her for a kiss. Knowing all that and use it deliberatly is not really natural game anymore. It appears to be because the content is always individual but the form is not left to chance. Kandid |
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| Author: | brand79 [ Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:50 am ] |
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if you dont know what to talk about and have no social skills how in the world is natural game gonna help? |
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| Author: | Kandid [ Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:13 pm ] |
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Well, then you need the crutches. I have written a book about seduction without routines. Have a look at it: The system doesn't allow me to post a link. Google for kandid, seduction. It's the first hit. Kandid |
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| Author: | Diego Armando [ Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:51 am ] |
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This article.... IS A WORK OF GENIUS (I take my hat off to you sir) I've been picking up for a while now but only became aware of the community a week ago last Sunday when I started reading The Game. I registered with this wesbite a few days ago and found that a few of the rules or routines are in direct opposition to some of the things I've been doing, for example, complimenting women directly (naturally flirtatious). This stuff has been working very well for me. I have a huge ego (I'm not arrogant though, I'm a good guy) and if I see a girl who's a 10 my attitude is "ok, she's a 10, but I'm a 10 and I'm a guy, that makes me an 11". Any woman who rejects my advances does so "because she has low self esteem". I have an extremely positive self image and this must come through when I'm communicating with woman. I'm trying to integrate what I'm coming across into what I already have in order to make it more effective rather than clearing it out and starting again. I think it's important to bear in mind that a lot of us already have "something" that works with women and that we should nurture this, feed it rather than clear it out and start again using mechanical routines. |
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