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| Author: | Adster [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | The problem with methods. |
I don't expect to make a lot of friends with this, but here goes. Though I am new to this forum, I'm not new to the Game. Sure, I signed up to help myself with a few issues I've been having, but it has nothing to do with methods or techniques, only my own situations and flaws. Now although way back then, I might have started at the same point that everyone else did, with openers, negs, and routines, it didn't take me long to realise that all of this stuff I'd taught myself, was in no way a better technique than just being myself. It helped a lot at first, but no more so than all of the self-help books, motivational DVDs and self-exploration did. These days too many people put too much emphasis on learning how to peacock, what to say on first introductions and what to do after that and in what order. Learning these things at the beginning to give you an idea of what to do is fantastic, but once you've got the basics, I don't think you need to worry any more about being a natural, or being method-based. Don't forget that through all of this, all of what you've learned and developed, that the best tool you have in your arsenal, is YOU being YOU! Learn what you need to to be your Natural self. Naturally funny. Naturally observant. Naturally respectful. Naturally romantic. Naturally sexy. Naturally strong. |
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| Author: | Mithos [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:52 am ] |
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Quote: Had a thought just now and thought id post it, not sure if this is a widely held belief being new to the community but there is all this advice on how to be a natural , like be alpha and don't give a s**t.
but just acting like that won't make you a natural since you won't know what to say or how to say it. thats why i think that following routines and lines at first is so important. The lines and routines work in the same way a naturals convo skills work. So i believe that it is important to do routines first to get into the character of a natural, like an actor getting into part and then improv when they know the character inside out. |
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| Author: | Kalel [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:44 am ] |
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I think that's very true. I've learned a lot, but the things that have helped me the most have been the inner game resources. Most people want shortcuts and quick fixes, but if you don't put in the time to work on yourself you will never be able to be successful with women. A lot of my success has not come from lines, routines, or techniques; it has come from my natural abilities to connect with women and keep them intrigued. But I would have never been able to do this with out the confidence that inner game has given me. I remember I had this epiphany while I was watching a David D seminar. He said "Every single one of your ancestors had sex". Then it occurred to me that sex and mating are natural things that we should already know how to do. I think that society fills men and women with so many false ideas and beliefs that we have trouble remembering how to do what comes natural. Society has clouded our natural instincts to the point that we need instruction on how to be natural again. |
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| Author: | Locke [ Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The problem with methods. |
Quote: Don't forget that through all of this, all of what you've learned and developed, that the best tool you have in your arsenal, is YOU being YOU! Learn what you need to to be your Natural self. Naturally funny. Naturally observant. Naturally respectful. Naturally romantic. Naturally sexy. Naturally strong. However, after reading the above excerpt I have realized that no, you can not become a natural...however, you can learn to be naturally awesome. You being YOU, while focusing on improving self traits that are appealing. And the result of those improvements? Someone who has become naturally good with women; not regardless of who they are, but because they are who they are. |
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| Author: | The Big Bad Wolf [ Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:24 pm ] |
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I believe it is possible to learn the world-view that a natural has, and change yours to suit it, and thereby becoming equal to a natural, or better. I think the key to this is inner game. You won't technically be a "natural" since that implies that you have somehow acquired these methods by yourself, through your environment, either growing up or something else. That your inherit body-language is Alpha, and that your views of the world support this. But you'll have natural game. Which is basically no different, except you will know how and why it works, and probably have more versatility because of this. You may also know stuff like the DeCarlo Escalation Ladder or the M3 model, and know how far along you are. Kinda like having a progress meter, when I think about it. |
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| Author: | Adster [ Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:45 pm ] |
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Wow, not the responses I was expecting, thanks guys for appreciating what I was trying to say! If you think about it, what is it that makes a Natural the way he (or she) is? Were they born with this talent? Did they get the midwife's phone number when they were born? Were they picking up other kids in kindergarten? lol Obviously not! In the majority of cases concerning naturals, they got what they have either from strong parental figures who passed down knowledge to them, or they are more highly intuitive than a lot of people, which just means they pick up things faster than most. The fact is Natural people learned things the same way method-based people did or are. They're LEARNING and APPLYING that which they've taken in from the world and other people. Those people who don't consider themselves to be "Naturals" aren't so bad off as they think. With time and education, I believe there comes a point where everything comes natural to them and they should no longer consider themselves any less than those who figured it out before them. Naturals are only those people who figured things out a little earlier than the rest of the tribe. I think the only thing that really differentiates those Naturals with Method-based people who reach the same point, is all down to HOW MUCH of themselves is retained as that line is crossed from one to the other. |
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| Author: | The Big Bad Wolf [ Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:15 pm ] |
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Naturals have usually some background either from childhood or early adolescence, where they acquired the most attractive Belief Systems. I expect this usually comes from a father-figure or in some cases an older brother. They basically have extremely effective beliefs about themselves. Usually they will then stand out as Alphas. At least that's how I understand it. hehe It doesn't always have much to do with looks or anything, since I have seen strong Alpha-frames in shitty people. (both bad appearance and poor world-view, but luckily for them, a powerful self-image) I think that understanding how much is defined by belief, (self image is belief btw.) will allow you to change this as you see fit. (If you are familiar with the 8-circuit model of Tim Leary, this is an ability which comes easier to people on level five and up, where they realize the ability to alter their behavioral programming. also known as metaprogramming.) |
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