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Author:  travolto [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:39 pm ]
Post subject:  PVG = Positive Value Giving
Hi everybody,

I am Daniel Travolto and i coined the Term PVG = Positive Value Giving
(you can search my name to find out more)


Success Story
It took me almost 10 years to figure out how to get women you dont know chase after you. from AFC to AFC to AFC to master. :-)

it is very simple. Give the women maximum amount of value with your time but dont expect anything in return.
For example: make her laugh, buy her drinks, give her compliments.

Now that might sound like... oh no not that nice guy strategy.
its not the nice guy strategy... its being nice without being clingy.
and that makes the whole difference.
FORGET ALL OTHER THEORIES. NO SERIOUSLY. JUST FORGET THEM.

I have this MILF chasing me like there is no tommorrow and all i did was a little PVG. remember: this hasn't happend to me ever before.
I tried all seduction tricks in the book.

maximize your pvg all the time. thats the most important thing. dont go just for a little PVG. try to maximize it and do it all the time and everywhere

if you still dont get it you can read it
Author:  Chief [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PVG = Positive Value Giving
Quote:
I am Daniel Travolto and i coined the Term PVG = Positive Value Giving
(you can search my name to find out more)
Sorry to burst you bubble, but...

That's like giving a new name to something like "energy" when it's already called so many other things like ki, chi, mana, aura, life force, etc. etc. etc. and trying to indirectly take credit for discovering the concept itself.

All the PUA companies are harping on the concept of giving value now. Even Ross Jeffries is teaching something like that. You're a few years late to be coining any new terms for it.

But, hey, I've got nothing against it. The more people are familiar with the concept of "PVG" aka "giving value" aka "giving love" aka "positive state projection" aka "state beaming" aka "spreading happiness" aka a whole ton of other stuff, the better. Keep doing your thing.

Just FYI, though... most of us just call it "giving value." Honestly a lot of guys are going to moan and groan at the news of another acronym being "coined." lol

I completely agree with your opinion.
Author:  travolto [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:01 pm ]
Post subject:  :-))
i thought i might get a response like that :-))
i did come up with the term actually. :-)

it has nothing to do with karma, ying yang, or giving love.
it is really a new theory which sounds familiar because it is the way the universe works. karma works differently and ying yang works differently and it sure has nothing to do with flower power feelings.

its also not about unconditional love.

i give you an example.
if i come across a woman i might tell her. you look great in those shoes. not i like your shoes. which is self centered.
and to do maximum PVG i would say "if you looked anymore nicer in your shoes i think women would get really jealous" or something like that. now i dont relate this just to people. i relate this to everything and anything i meet or do. its not about love. its about value creation.

P.S. i might add that its nothing extraordinarily metaphysical
Author:  Chief [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:06 pm ]
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Look deeper and you'll discover it actually is about love.

Check this out: it-all-starts-with-you-on-ego-and-givin ... 27019.html

Meditate on that, my friend. I wrote it around the same time you posted your intro thread saying that you were new to the pickup scene. :wink:
Author:  travolto [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:14 pm ]
Post subject:  :-))
its not love really its not..

see if this girl IMed you "i love you" its not value creation unless the receiver feels it as such and most wont because they know its not true.

but if a person is in trouble and i help him its value creation. its not about love. i dont love the person and i might not be compassionate about him i am just creating value for him.

i assume that most PUAs mean something similar when they say giving value but i am pretty sure they dont mean the exact same thing.
Author:  travolto [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:19 pm ]
Post subject:  :-))
i have many thoughts and have to share them before they are understood.
so here goes some more info.

see i dont believe that things return immediately (similar to karma)
so if i make people feel great and i help them and i create value for anything and anyone i believe it returns a little bit later. not like years as in karma but you have to get the bucket full just enough to have the water overflow. that i think is the major difference in my view. See if you have a bad type of PVG karma you are never going to succeed in anything. start building your PVG karma and it will come through. most people of flower power ideas think that giving good returns good immediately.
Author:  Chief [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: :-))
Quote:
its not love really its not..

see if this girl IMed you "i love you" its not value creation unless the receiver feels it as such and most wont because they know its not true.

but if a person is in trouble and i help him its value creation. its not about love. i dont love the person and i might not be compassionate about him i am just creating value for him.

i assume that most PUAs mean something similar when they say giving value but i am pretty sure they dont mean the exact same thing.
I invite you to expand your horizons by exploring what love really means. You response has demonstrated that our definitions for love are vastly different. :)

Search your soul, brother.
Author:  travolto [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:26 pm ]
Post subject:  :-)))
love for me is a spiritual connection while creating value is a physical thing. i can help someone without caring deeply. just like i can be nice to a woman who i dont really love just so i dont have to hurt her feelings.
Author:  Chief [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: :-)))
Quote:
love for me is a spiritual connection while creating value is a physical thing. i can help someone without caring deeply. just like i can be nice to a woman who i dont really love just so i dont have to hurt her feelings.
You're not going to believe me when I say this, but you can't possibly not love another human being.

That invitation ain't gonna go away. :wink:

The Fool's Journey, which is the story of the Tarot, involves a man who thinks the physical and spiritual worlds are separate but later on discovers otherwise.

For now, just keep your ego in check. You are not a guru (and neither am I, by the way). Quit trying to coin shit that already exists in a plethora of interpretations.
Author:  travolto [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:42 pm ]
Post subject:  :-)))
we seem to differ on many things. i am not guru and i dont pretend to be.
i am just saying i found a formula which works for me better than any formula i ever had and i am testing it and sharing it.
but i am not testing it to take advantage of women since that wouldnt be PVG. i am doing it to create value, become wealthy and enjoy the kind of life i want to have.
Author:  Chief [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: :-)))
Quote:
we seem to differ on many things. i am not guru and i dont pretend to be.
i am just saying i found a formula which works for me better than any formula i ever had and i am testing it and sharing it.
but i am not testing it to take advantage of women since that wouldnt be PVG. i am doing it to create value, become wealthy and enjoy the kind of life i want to have.
That's great man, and I agree with your methodology, but it's still not new at all because it's no different from the concept of giving value. Calling it PVG is only going to confuse others for the sake of making a name for yourself rather than help others.
Author:  travolto [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:23 pm ]
Post subject:  :-))
and i continue to disagree that its not about "giving value" as in creating value. it is a slightly different concept.
i think that my theory entails more than giving value.
so you could say PVG theory is a broader approach to life whereas giving value is a PUA term. i am not a PUA and i am saying this as a philosophy more than a PUA technique

edit:
lets sum this whole thing up:
"Giving Value" PUA Term = offering the woman a great time and feelings to get that woman
"Positive Value Giving" PVG = creating/generating value around you so to reap the benefits later.

maybe the misunderstanding is because of the abbreviation.
It should be more like Positive Value Creation than Giving
Author:  vitaminc [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:10 pm ]
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is the basic idea behind this thread just to make the woman feel good?
because that's pretty obvious then...
(sorry, dont have the time today to run through the debate that you're having with chief)
Author:  Chief [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 7:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: :-))
Quote:
and i continue to disagree that its not about "giving value" as in creating value. it is a slightly different concept.
i think that my theory entails more than giving value.
so you could say PVG theory is a broader approach to life whereas giving value is a PUA term. i am not a PUA and i am saying this as a philosophy more than a PUA technique

edit:
lets sum this whole thing up:
"Giving Value" PUA Term = offering the woman a great time and feelings to get that woman
"Positive Value Giving" PVG = creating/generating value around you so to reap the benefits later.

maybe the misunderstanding is because of the abbreviation.
It should be more like Positive Value Creation than Giving
You think they're different because you misunderstand love :wink:
Author:  travolto [ Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:45 pm ]
Post subject:  response to feel good
its not about just making the woman feel good.
see if you create a lot of value in your life you are attracting everything. from money to friends to everything. and getting the woman is just a byproduct you could say
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