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Author:  CincoDeMayhem [ Mon Dec 07, 2015 7:22 am ]
Post subject:  Direct Game vs Indirect
I've been practicing indirect game for while but I'd like to try Direct Game. I recently read "Mode One" and although it was written a while ago it doesn't really give you insight on what to say or scenarios. Also, reading some posts on here about direct game, they're direct about looks but not about intentions. For instance, "I think you're cute so I wanted to come talk to you". Whereas in the book, it almost makes it seem like the apocalypse opener. The opener would be something like "I find you sexually attractive and want to you to come home with me." Am I missing something? Is direct really direct or are there just tiers like not spooking the cat. You're cute, fit, do you like to have fun, we should go to my house...etc.

Are there more books out there or examples of direct game situations on this forum? I am not looking for canned openers because I know if you're going to attempt Direct game, you definitely have to have inner game first. What's the progression? Is it the same as indirect, open, comfort, IO's, kino, escalate etc.
Author:  oceanx [ Mon Dec 07, 2015 7:42 am ]
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Fellas: If you come with the proper demeanor, that's as direct as you can ever hope to be. THE WORDS YOU SAY MEAN SHIT.
Author:  ChocolatePUA [ Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:38 pm ]
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Fellas: If you come with the proper demeanor, that's as direct as you can ever hope to be. THE WORDS YOU SAY MEAN SHIT.
I'm agreeing with a lot of what you say today.

Indirect or direct doesn't matter. The basics and fundamentals of game do - confidence, display your intentions, escalate, isolate.

Your body language, demeanor, voice tone, etc will have far more of an effect on your potential success than whether you have an direct/indirect approach.

Personally, I MUCH prefer to go "indirect" but it will just depend on your personal preferance
Author:  oceanx [ Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:16 am ]
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Chocolate, I'm agreeing with you on pretty much every post I've ever seen from u. :)

Indirect as direct: The guy just gets done sexing a new girl. He sees a hot girl and starts talking to her about COLORING BOOKS. But he does it with the natural demeanor that would be present after sexing said other girl.

Compare that scenario to the non-calibrated guy who keeps spambotting women with "I thought you were so cute I had to talk to you." There is NOTHING direct about that on its face. It's creepy as fuck without the proper demeanor.
Author:  J.Daniels [ Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:13 am ]
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He sees a hot girl and starts talking to her about COLORING BOOKS. But he does it with the natural demeanor that would be present after sexing said other girl.
This.

If I want to fuck a girl, I can be talking to her about anything from microwaves to licking her pussy... my facial expression won't be much different. I'll still be giving her "the eye" and everything but my words will be sexual. Then when she thinks it's her idea, I fuck with her for being a bad influence and tell her she's trouble, then I lead and let her enjoy the adventure...
Author:  oceanx [ Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:01 am ]
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I'll still be giving her "the eye" and everything but my words will be sexual
Beautiful stuff.

Some rap tune comes to mind -

"I don't even gotta say it They know"
Author:  Dragula [ Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:40 pm ]
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Fucking JDaniels copying my game... But I used "the look" and talking about hamsters
Author:  J.Daniels [ Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:50 pm ]
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Fucking JDaniels copying my game... But I used "the look" and talking about hamsters
I taught you well.

But in all seriousness, I was thinking of that thread when I wrote this. I do remember saying at the time that I've done this for a while, though ;) it's beautiful. The women reciprocate and it can turn into full on physical escalation when you're talking about gardening lol.
Author:  Finished [ Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:32 am ]
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But in all seriousness, I was thinking of that thread when I wrote this. I do remember saying at the time that I've done this for a while, though ;) it's beautiful. The women reciprocate and it can turn into full on physical escalation when you're talking about gardening lol.
Pretty much anything can be used as sexual innuendo. I was flirting with a girl the other day about how we both love "sudoku" so much. I can't even remember how it ended up getting sexual, it just did.
Author:  J.Daniels [ Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:35 am ]
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But in all seriousness, I was thinking of that thread when I wrote this. I do remember saying at the time that I've done this for a while, though ;) it's beautiful. The women reciprocate and it can turn into full on physical escalation when you're talking about gardening lol.
Pretty much anything can be used as sexual innuendo. I was flirting with a girl the other day about how we both love "sudoku" so much. I can't even remember how it ended up getting sexual, it just did.
It's pretty much because of what we're saying here: Everything but the words are sexual. Either that, or you were doing it the obvious way "Yea, I want to sudoko your fucking brains out" lol
Author:  Finished [ Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:47 am ]
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It's pretty much because of what we're saying here: Everything but the words are sexual. Either that, or you were doing it the obvious way "Yea, I want to sudoko your fucking brains out" lol
Well yeah. All the sub-coms, body language, eye contact and tonality were on point.

It was more like "Ohhh, I can't go a night without playing suduko. It just gets me going so much, the harder the better". :D
Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:56 am ]
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All of these direct vs indirect debates are nothing but mental masturbation. You just fucking go out, meet girls, ask them out, isolate, escalate hard, and f-close. If you go out, you'll know for yourself what are the things that work for you and which don't.
Author:  spacco [ Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:01 pm ]
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Indirect is a good place to start out. Certainly eases the tension off and when you are just learning to approach shows that girls can actually be cool when you approach them and do it right.

I prefer Indirect game usually in the nightclub. Since there is already a high level of tension based on the environment. And helps to put them more into comfort and from there to escalate. Also being a club there is already an implied sexual interest. Whereas Daygame I prefer direct game. To be up front at the start why I'm approaching. Not because I'm faking asking where the next blah blah store is. Again this is a good place to start out, if you just want to get used to the idea of talking to girls off the street.

Bottom line is direct and indirect both have their strengths and weaknesses based on the circumstances. But the important thing is you should be able to DO Direct game. When I first started I had tons of canned indirect openers which worked great and boosted my confidence in approaching. However I still had trouble just explicity stating to a girl what I thought about her and what my intentions are. So then I just started doing Direct game because it was good for ME and doing myself a favor in boosting my range about expressing myself.

I don't think there really is any books you can read about Direct game. Because Direct game is about personal expression. Which my personal expression is different from yours. As it's about speaking from the heart of how you really feel. And usually you will get away with it, regardless of what you say because the honesty of it is appreciated. People appreciate that level of honesty whether they agree with or not. Versus something you read which think should say that comes out unauthentic. It's like an artist or musician (Jazz Musician) improvising with the moment. And it's all about taking what's in the back of your head and just saying it unapolegetically.

But there are things that help with this form of expression:

Meditation is number 1 : As often Direct game can come with it a high degree of sexual tension. Meditation helps you "be with tension" and sit comfortably with it while not fighting it. That in itself is why it is a good stress management tool in all aspects of your life. You just accept the tension, without being controlled or responsive to it. As the exercise of meditation can consist of following your in and out breathing. With that your "brain / mind" will wander and start creating thoughts. And you keep on pulling your attention back to your breathing. Your Brain never will stop thinking and creating thoughts. But eventually you stop being responsive or over-run by those thoughts. So on other levels you become less responsive to feeling discomfort from sexual tension

Unstifling Exercises before you go out : Doing stuff that breaks your fear or social acceptance based on social conditioning. Sing out loud before you go out. Laugh out loud like a nerd. Do a crazy dance at the club with zero fucks given. This all gets you away from expressing yourself how YOU want to express yourself versus what is expected of you. (With zero fucks given)

Art : Having some sort of artistic endeavour (Music, Dance, Painting) can help with direct expression. Since through the creative act you get used to following your intuition, going with it and selling it 100%. Building your confidence in expressing yourself, that no matter how crazy it seems it will turn out all right when you just let it go.
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