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Advice needed- Logical transitions out of the friend zone
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Author:  ASmooth90 [ Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:39 am ]
Post subject:  Advice needed- Logical transitions out of the friend zone
There's a hot girl in my social circle that I've been flirting with for a while. We only see each other at group events, and when we do talk to each other one on one, our friends are always around. I have been able to touch her on her arms, neck, stomach and back. She never objects when I touch her. She doesn't engage when I talk about sexual topics, but she doesn't reject them either. When I give her hugs, she hugs back in a weak way, like a half-assed hug. We've built deep rapport by talking about lots of topics, and we connect on a logical level.
In this situation, I think that overtly conveying interest in the target would be the best course of action. Here are a couple of lines that I have been considering, in order from least to most direct:

1. "Let's go out for drinks after work, to celebrate X!" (X being some event)
2. Use humor to generate attraction, qualify her with a compliment, and then try to kiss her.
3. "You intrigue me, and you seem pretty cool, I'd like to take you to a concert this weekend."

Usually you shouldn't go so direct or engage a girl's logical mind, but this girl is different, because we've already connected on a logical level. If I try to do something gamey or gimmicky, she will know I'm trying to pull one over on her/ trick her. She will respect the approach more if I allow her to make the logical decision about whether she's down or not.

Rejection isn't a big deal, I'm in this to win it. Playing to not get rejected is a losing game.
Author:  WillEdward [ Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Advice needed- Logical transitions out of the friend zon
You eventually do have to connect with her on an emotional level. You can't logically persuade her to kiss or have sex with her. Is she one of your colleagues at work? I would tread carefully if she is. I like the invitation for drinks and then you can game her normally and try to build a deeper emotional connection, isolate and escalate to a kiss.
Author:  Chris Bale [ Mon Apr 27, 2015 3:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Advice needed- Logical transitions out of the friend zon
Hey man,

This may help you...

But in essence, moving out of the "friendzone" is incredibly easy...But having her want you sexually after you proved otherwise can be the problem. Hope you get some value from this :)

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Author:  Fiske [ Sat May 02, 2015 9:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Advice needed- Logical transitions out of the friend zon
You nurtured comfort first, instead of attraction.
The result always is as it happened.

You appease to women's hearts after you fuck them, not before.
Author:  PatrickAnanda [ Mon May 25, 2015 4:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Advice needed- Logical transitions out of the friend zon
Quote:
There's a hot girl in my social circle that I've been flirting with for a while. We only see each other at group events, and when we do talk to each other one on one, our friends are always around. I have been able to touch her on her arms, neck, stomach and back. She never objects when I touch her. She doesn't engage when I talk about sexual topics, but she doesn't reject them either. When I give her hugs, she hugs back in a weak way, like a half-assed hug. We've built deep rapport by talking about lots of topics, and we connect on a logical level.
In this situation, I think that overtly conveying interest in the target would be the best course of action. Here are a couple of lines that I have been considering, in order from least to most direct:

1. "Let's go out for drinks after work, to celebrate X!" (X being some event)
2. Use humor to generate attraction, qualify her with a compliment, and then try to kiss her.
3. "You intrigue me, and you seem pretty cool, I'd like to take you to a concert this weekend."

Usually you shouldn't go so direct or engage a girl's logical mind, but this girl is different, because we've already connected on a logical level. If I try to do something gamey or gimmicky, she will know I'm trying to pull one over on her/ trick her. She will respect the approach more if I allow her to make the logical decision about whether she's down or not.

Rejection isn't a big deal, I'm in this to win it. Playing to not get rejected is a losing game.
My friend, you are so far off the court you're playing a different sport.

What the shit is all of this? Not engaging her logically? Here are some lines I've been considering?

Pull yourself together brother.

There is no friendzone!

I see this shit all the time! Guys complaining left and right that women friendzone them, as if it's like this horrible accident that happened. If only they knew... If only they knew that no women in her right mind ever looks at a man and thinks "Hmmm he would be a GREAT friend!"

Notice the use of words here? No woman ever looks on a man, not a guy, not a bro, not a boy and NOT a pua. A man. The rugged strength of character, with unshakable values, completely unafraid, fully present, fully matured and on a mission larger than himself.

You've friendzoned yourself

We all have at some point or another. We do so by hiding our desires. We think we are sly by coming in under the radar. "I'm not asking her out on a date, I'm asking her to 'chill' and 'hang out'". We look at her and all we want to do is say "my god I can't take my eyes off you!" but then we think "oh no, that would be too much, she wouldn't like that". I can go on for hours but what's the point? You've friendzoned yourself.

"Master, you must help. My mind needs to be fixed!"
"Alright, show me this mind you speak of"
"I can't. I can't find it!"
"There! I've fixed it for you" - Zen proverb

There is no friendzone

Stop trying to focus on leaving the friendzone you've built for yourself. The moment you realize that there is no friendzone, you're already free. There's nothing to escape from. Nothing to claw your way out of.

Truth is she likes you. They all like you. That's the great secret... All women like you! They are rooting for you! They are thinking "please.. PLEASE not another lose. Please make this one cool!"

You need to like yourself. You need to believe in yourself. She wants you to like yourself. She needs you to believe in yourself.

With love and respect
Mack
Author:  DaniFC [ Sat May 30, 2015 4:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Advice needed- Logical transitions out of the friend zon
I have to agree with Mack on this one! There is no such thing as a girl putting you in "the friendzone".
We put ourselves in the friendzone by not being mature enough to speak our minds and show that we are real men!
I've been in the friendzone before. It's not a good place to be in, but I learned a lot since then, and come a long way.

Nowadays it doesn't even come to that.
You have to realize that YOU are the man and YOU are the one choosing to allow her to be a part of your life or not. It's not the other way around.
If you are man enough, she won't have a choice other than to be with you, because that's what logic dictates.

Either way, just as Mack said : get it together!

There's no better advice than the one he gave in such perfect detail.
Once you realize that girls are "rooting" for you, your confidence will skyrocket and you will transform from a "boy with a toy" into a "man with a plan".

Good luck friend!

Dan
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