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| Author: | Refelex [ Wed May 07, 2014 4:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | when natural game goes AFC |
My natural game is still inconsistent despite huge improvements in general in my skills. One sticking point is that in some interactions, my natural game can get stuck or nose dive into avg AFC game....with questions and more questions, predictable feedback loop. Mind you, when I do well with natural game, I do ask questions (I dont find questions to be so taboo in game). I think when my game nose dives into AFC boring has to do with a sort of of creative juices suddenly going by the wayside. t I am a good opener using humor, unexpectedness, observational, cocky funny and being relaxed...but even my strong openings can quickly can crash into AFC. Any suggestions on how to save my interaction back to solid when I blank out or feel my game going AFC? does this all make sense? Thank you! |
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| Author: | stateofarrest [ Wed May 07, 2014 6:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: when natural game goes AFC |
It sounds like you just need more ideas for boosters to your conversation. I like to play the would you rather game (would you rather tell your dad you smoked cigerettes or get a visible tattoo on your back that he would see on vacation? - not necessarily that one, but you know the deal - just don't take it down the gross route). Questions are always ok just as long as they're not boring and turning her brain off. Another idea might be to go and do something with her - conversation for two people who dont have any shared experiences together (unlike you and your friends) can be hard. My favourite is to say, hey let's go to the woods, and we climb a tree. General AFC chit chat can be forgiven when you're doing something cool together. Another favourite is baking a cake together and I once read a Shakespeare play with a girl and we were doing different voices and shit - that was really fun. |
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| Author: | In$tinct [ Wed May 07, 2014 10:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: when natural game goes AFC |
Normal conversation involves questions. Of course you need to avoid making it look like an interview, and more statements are recommended than questions, but without any, I'd find it close to impossible to maintain a normal conversation. When you ask questions, try to involve her emotionally, and use open ended questions. That means the answer can't be a simple "yes" or "no". "Why?" and "How?" are your best friends in these situations. |
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| Author: | unknownpoet [ Wed May 07, 2014 5:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: when natural game goes AFC |
I'm sorry but you don't seam natural at all. maybe it's overconfidence. you should learn what type of questions there is and when to make them. |
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| Author: | Andre2807 [ Thu May 08, 2014 8:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: when natural game goes AFC |
A natural is basically someone with fucking strong inner game, good conversation skills and a clear intention to get laid. The biggest advice I normally give on conversations, is to "respond to what's in the basket" and asking ambiguous questions. Ambiguous questions works brilliantly, because the ball is in her court to decide how she should respond. Examples: "what do you like?" "what skills do you have?" "what is your story?" "what for you... is the meaning of life?" These questions are beautiful as there are no correct answer for them. Responding to what's in the basket is simple. What do you like bikes or cars? Cars (cars are now in the basket) What makes you like cars? (ambiguous question and responding to the basket contents) Combining these two simple conversation tips will improve your communication skills a lot. |
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| Author: | stateofarrest [ Thu May 08, 2014 10:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: when natural game goes AFC |
I ask girls what is their favourite movie of all time? They always stutter and say I don't know - classic AFC question, but I push, and say quickly, quickly (whilst she's still 'umm'ing and 'ahhh'ing, come on, the first one in your head is the right one, any movie. I do it with songs as well - its amazing what they say. Its usually a kids movie like cool runnings or something. I follow it with some ESP bullshit about how, instinctively the first one that comes into your head is the true answer. The main thing is that it turns 'I don't know' into an answer, that you can work from. And it makes you seem fun and different. But yeah, these are all just more and more routines dude - for natural game you have to give yourself a framework of rules to act within and then everything you'll do will be natural. |
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| Author: | GamesSN [ Thu May 08, 2014 11:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: when natural game goes AFC |
Thought that maybe you fall into this trap or feel you fall into this because you're failing to progress to the next phase((Seduction))? I was like that, still am sometimes. The absolute worst situation was when I was with a SHB. She approached asked me to have a drink with her. Her confidence caught me off guard and I couldn't help but go truly AFC, this was a failure to be interesting, ask appropriate questions and progressing the interaction to what she was obviously there for -- My dick. Still, it was a learning experience. |
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| Author: | alxbkr [ Tue May 13, 2014 5:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: when natural game goes AFC |
learn how to improve bullshit |
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| Author: | Refelex [ Tue May 20, 2014 4:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: when natural game goes AFC |
thanks guys. By natural I meant natural style game. I think i have a mixed bag of good and bad skills/undeveloped. Lots to learn. Big irony is I can be very creative improviser and also clam up like a well, clam. I just keep doing it and try to keep learning (involves lots of shoot downs). I think Im at the point where I am repeating bad habits. I think I need lots of work at comfort, qualifying, convos and most importantly as a long term goal, get the girl to chase me at some point.  
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| Author: | In$tinct [ Tue May 20, 2014 11:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: when natural game goes AFC |
Quote:
as a long term goal, get the girl to chase me at some point.
At some point? No, your goal is to get her chasing you from the first moment. Learn proper body language to understand how you achieve that.
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| Author: | Refelex [ Wed May 21, 2014 5:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: when natural game goes AFC |
Thanks OutSraging. Any suggested reads? I have read a lot on BL and been paying close attention. Regarding being chased from the get go due to BL, any suggested insights or reads you can share? Thank you! |
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| Author: | Digital_Spy [ Fri May 23, 2014 11:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: when natural game goes AFC |
Oh ffs. Suggesting to a girl lets go into the woods and climb a tree sounds like you want to take her there and sexually assault her or something. No girl on the planet will want to go into the woods with a complete fucking stranger you morons. And what's with the asking them a question and then aggressively saying to them 'Quickly, quickly, quickly!!' for a reply. Christ you all sound like nightmares barking orders at girls and suggesting weird shit to them. This PUA crap is tying you all in knots and making you appear like desperate, fucking bullies, harassing girls so that you can get a pity fuck from them. No wonder you all fail miserably. Haven't got a fucking clue. |
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| Author: | lt7920 [ Fri May 30, 2014 5:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: when natural game goes AFC |
Digital_Spy HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH shit man you're soo deep man. respect you but just saying reading your last comment made me LMAFO |
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| Author: | Teenage Dirtbag [ Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: when natural game goes AFC |
My mentor's wing told me to stop asking more than 2 questions in a row or it will sound like an interview. I just make statements/comments about her or go into a story or push pull or roleplay or w/e |
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| Author: | falboe [ Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: when natural game goes AFC |
You need to avoid making it look like an interview, and more statements are recommended than questions, but without any, I'd find it close to impossible to maintain a normal conversation. |
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