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Author:  AlwaysTrying [ Thu Nov 21, 2013 7:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Ok, still trying, but can't get any cues right.
It seems like no girl is interested, and if they are, its only when I'm being extremely passive. As if all they needed was a "friend" or "text buddy". The minute I get flirty, arrange plans or if online, ask for their number, I get cut off.

As for online dating, I seem to be doing everything I SHOULD be doing, and I still NEVER get replies or as much as any attraction or interest going on. I have interesting pics, a killer profile, and I don't send canned openers, no 1 liners and no paragraphs, and always keep it funny. Still nothing.

I know its not really fair to think this way because in game you're taught that no matter what you look like, you can succeed in game. I'm not ugly, I go to the gym 5 days a week, dropped 48+ lbs in 9 months, I'm extremely chill and have a lot of friends, get invited a lot and all of my friends gf don't see anything wrong with me, but I just can't understand what it is I do wrong...

Here's an example, usually, girls that walk by me refuse to make any eye contact with me, I look at them, they probably know I do, but whether I do or don't, they still don't look at me. Now some people say that its because some of these women are shy or they're just afraid of what you might think of them if you catch them looking at you. I thought "okay, so the interested ones will stare".

Now the other day, I was feeling really good, I dressed good, smelled good and went on a walk to sarge by myself, as I walked by quite a few girls, a lot of them never broke eye contact the entire way we were in each other's sight. I foolishly didn't approach the first 5, but on the 6th and 7th, they did the exact same thing, and I approached, only to be rejected flat out without even a chance to get any word across after the opener, which wasn't even complete since after "Hi", they gave me an excuse so they could leave (in a very bitter way), and the other just didn't even listen and kept walking.

I keep writing these negative intros on my threads, then I get really motivated, start trying hard again, and it goes to shit again. I can't seem to get it right at all, I don't understand it, it's like everything I read and learn doesn't apply to my area or with myself, and I refuse to think its because I'm an idiot and that women can smell that before I even open my mouth...

Can anyone please help me...?
Author:  In$tinct [ Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ok, still trying, but can't get any cues right.
I think the main problem must be your body language. Your posture, or your facial expressions, your voice tone. I can't possibly imagine any other reason why you are always rejected. Friends' girlfriends will never ever tell you what is wrong with you because they don't want to, or they don't even know it conciously.

Do you just game daytime, or have you tried night-game too?

Online dating sucks. All the free websites are full of weirdos and fake profiles and I'm not paying money just so I can talk to a real woman online, when I can do that for free anytime in real life.
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I foolishly didn't approach the first 5, but on the 6th and 7th, they did the exact same thing, and I approached, only to be rejected flat out without even a chance to get any word across after the opener, which wasn't even complete since after "Hi", they gave me an excuse so they could leave (in a very bitter way), and the other just didn't even listen and kept walking.
Rude bitches. Don't care about them, I think you're better off without their company.

I recommend you improve your body language and keep trying also at night and day. Something is weird here and you have to find out what it is...
Author:  oceanx [ Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ok, still trying, but can't get any cues right.
Agreed. I feel like you MAY be broadcasting your intentions to her on the approach that you are trying to 'get' something from her or 'run a routine' on her. Instead the undercurrent she should feel from you is that you are a chill dude and they are fortunate that you would be spending time to talk with them.

Maybe try different openers other than 'hi' such as 'hey come here for a sec, u see that? is this right? blah blah blah' in response to whatever is happening in the environment. Some of the pickup videos that are out there give off the feel that the PUA is putting on a show or performing an act. Scratch that, and just talk to her like you are talking to your gf. Go in confident, and assume she's down to have a little chat with you.

You're money, don't you forget that.
Author:  bmw2312 [ Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ok, still trying, but can't get any cues right.
Hey bro it sounds like your a step in the right direction. Being that your keeping eye contact with these women casually say hello ask how their day was ask them if they notice a difference in regular shoes compared to run shoes. Don't seem too 'I wanna fuck you' try to seem more 'hey this is me like what Im putting down?'
Author:  AlwaysTrying [ Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ok, still trying, but can't get any cues right.
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I think the main problem must be your body language. Your posture, or your facial expressions, your voice tone. I can't possibly imagine any other reason why you are always rejected. Friends' girlfriends will never ever tell you what is wrong with you because they don't want to, or they don't even know it conciously.

Do you just game daytime, or have you tried night-game too?

Online dating sucks. All the free websites are full of weirdos and fake profiles and I'm not paying money just so I can talk to a real woman online, when I can do that for free anytime in real life.
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I foolishly didn't approach the first 5, but on the 6th and 7th, they did the exact same thing, and I approached, only to be rejected flat out without even a chance to get any word across after the opener, which wasn't even complete since after "Hi", they gave me an excuse so they could leave (in a very bitter way), and the other just didn't even listen and kept walking.
Rude bitches. Don't care about them, I think you're better off without their company.

I recommend you improve your body language and keep trying also at night and day. Something is weird here and you have to find out what it is...
I thought of that, and always keep it in mind, but here are the things I do:
-I'm very physical, so I move my hands when I speak and never look bored when talking
-I avoid my best to keep my hands out of my pockets and not crossed
-I walk with my head held up high and I never stare at the floor, I always look in the horizon
-I try to walk with a calm and confident manner, not pacing and rushing

As for facial expressions, well, they're diverse, I mean I'm pretty comical but I don't make stupid or exaggerated faces, but I'd be heavily surprised if that was the reason. As for voice tone, I always thought I sounded retarded from my younger days when I'm on video and I'm just shouting or talking fast, but then I realized that was just me being my pure immature and uncultivated younger self. I verified it recently by actually making voice logs on my phone whenever something unusual or worth of being saved happens that implies game and found out I actually sound a lot greater than I thought, so I'm really not worried about the tone, I feel like its not mastered, but not beginner or in urgent need of attention.

As for my friends' girlfriends, we're all actually friends before they start dating my friends, and they do tell me my flaws, but they also tell me I'm an overall great guy and they even introduce me to their friends and act as my wingwoman when we go clubbing with a lot of friends.

I agree, online dating sucks, I'm really starting to hate it, ugly girls get cocky, the rest are all there just for an ego boost of a flooded inbox, and worst of all they're 250% more judgemental....

And I use to game only at night, but recently got over my approach anxiety and I approach in daytime too, but I had better feedback from nightgame as opposed to daygame, daygame they just flat out reject me, behave rudely, ignore me or just blatantly throw a "I have a boyfriend sorry".

I try my best to improve my body language, I mean, I'm still a bit fat, but I REALLY improved my silhouette and I look "built" now, even naked, I can see a lot of tones and muscle definition that was buried under fat for so long just a few months ago. And thanks to my newfound mass, I actually look more solid and confident with my chest and broad shoulders who both gained size.



And also, trust me, I will tell you now bro, I'm absolutely and extremely if not exaggeratedly confused as to why I'm getting rejected. I've always been rejected, I'm 20 now and never had a girlfriend, lost my virginity a month ago in a sad manner and to top it all off, I never once gotten a reply back from a phone number I got from a chick other than her telling me she has a boyfriend.

I'm literally at a loss here and really getting frustrated, I'm avoided like the plague and I'm not even ugly, I groom myself, pay very good attention to hygiene, dress my best when I sarge and lost a lot of weight and built muscle, and it's still not enough... I don't like to blame women for these shortcomings and its better to think that I have to improve and the fault is on my part, but this is getting so ridiculous a part of me is often making me hate women as a whole, I hate that feeling, but its making me feel like an asshole and that I'll end up taking revenge on women instead of enjoying them, once I become good with pickup... And I've tried thinking otherwise, but its literally how I'm feeling from time to time...

I really wish I had some guidance... I tried the 30 day stylelife challenge book, and I even have the other book "The Game"... Nothing. I feel like crying and screaming outside now...
Author:  AlwaysTrying [ Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ok, still trying, but can't get any cues right.
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Agreed. I feel like you MAY be broadcasting your intentions to her on the approach that you are trying to 'get' something from her or 'run a routine' on her. Instead the undercurrent she should feel from you is that you are a chill dude and they are fortunate that you would be spending time to talk with them.

Maybe try different openers other than 'hi' such as 'hey come here for a sec, u see that? is this right? blah blah blah' in response to whatever is happening in the environment. Some of the pickup videos that are out there give off the feel that the PUA is putting on a show or performing an act. Scratch that, and just talk to her like you are talking to your gf. Go in confident, and assume she's down to have a little chat with you.

You're money, don't you forget that.
Well, I use to not do that, but then she gets the feeling that I'm just trying to be her friend. I keep reading that you have to show your sexual or attracted intent with confidence right off the bat so you become a potential partner in her eyes and not just a friendzoned chump.

As for routines, they don't even get me "friendly rejections" or even "friendzones". That's why I just stick to being in the moment and going with the flow.

Oh, and the "Hi" wasn't the only part of my opener lol. I recently got an email of top openers from Brad's newsletter from this forum, and here's the one I use:

[7 Kick-Ass Direct Openers That Break The Ice And Get To The Point]

• Excuse me can I tell you something?
• Hey, I just saw you over there and had to come over and tell you that I think you’re very cute...
• Ok, so I was going about my day and then I noticed you, which completely threw me off... Hey I’m (name)
• Wow, I love your style... you’re Swedish right? (Assume her nationality)
• Excuse me... I’m going to be really honest here because I need to be somewhere, I think you’re absolutely gorgeous and I’d love to go for a drink with you sometime, can I get your number?
• Stop right there, I’m sorry but there is no way I’m letting you get passed me without saying hello, you’re just too damn cute (with a cheeky smile).
• Excuse me, what would you say if I told you you’re the cutest girl I’ve seen in the last 5 minutes?

I obviously don't say it word by word, and I say it with my own words in a calm manner so it doesn't look like I'm rushing the opener out or chewing on my words, you know, so it sounds real and genuine. And of course with a cheeky smile.

I really loved this though "Scratch that, and just talk to her like you are talking to your gf. Go in confident, and assume she's down to have a little chat with you.

You're money, don't you forget that."

Sometimes, 1000 people can tell me the same thing, but I'll fall in love with the way that one person worded it, and that right there, it seriously feels like an imaginary light-bulb lit up above my head. I'll keep that in mind.
Author:  AlwaysTrying [ Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ok, still trying, but can't get any cues right.
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Hey bro it sounds like your a step in the right direction. Being that your keeping eye contact with these women casually say hello ask how their day was ask them if they notice a difference in regular shoes compared to run shoes. Don't seem too 'I wanna fuck you' try to seem more 'hey this is me like what Im putting down?'
When I do that I just get friendzoned and every attempt at building attraction afterwards is out of the question for them because my first impression and first contact with them always screams "casual" and "friend" to them... :(
Author:  oceanx [ Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ok, still trying, but can't get any cues right.
I agree you totally want to let them know your intention in the first interaction. It doesn't have to go from the top of the interaction though. Besides, she's cute. So what. There are billions of cute girls. You are talking to her to literally find out if she is cool enough to possibly hang with you as opposed to the other way around. So if she turns out to be, then you can drop in the "you're cute" said almost dismissively etc. How many dudes are initiating a convo with her where the sole underlying purpose is to QUALIFY her. The mindframe sort of is "let's see what she's got."

And I agree with you, fuck routines.
Author:  bmw2312 [ Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ok, still trying, but can't get any cues right.
Well after you open convo find a way to tease them. If they laugh it's game on. After open don't display friendship qualities put your hands on them give them a light shove just do what you want to do at that point short of grabbing ass in public lol
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